Just an update. I have got a copy of the birth certificate for Vincent Charles Edgar which shows that he was born on 12 Sep 1837 in the West Ham Union (work/poor house).
Address given as cr Chapel St and Veres Yard
Birth registered on 22 Oct.
Profession - Miller
But his parents were also...
I guess that that Edgar and Charlotte being poverty stricken would not have had birthday count high on their list of priorities. SImilarly Elizabeth Richardson.
I can find no other likely candidates for Charles Edgar in 1939, so I am inferrring for the moment that he is the correct one...
I will be working on a timeline the next few days to visualise the various record dates. and places.
For the moment I am optimistically working on the basis that:
- Vincent, Charles Edgar m Richardson, Agnes with children including Charles Alfred and Frederick Edgar are valid, give or take...
Vincent, Edgar may have travelled to America
Is that a marriage record?
Searching for Vincent, Edgar m Colvin, Charlotte
Marriages Sep 1837
and searching for Colvin, Charlotte m Vincent, Edgar
Marriages Sep 1837 (>99%) COLVIN Charlotte Bishopsgate 236
I assume that conception out of wedlock did occur in that era. Married in Sept born in Oct/Nov/Dec? Scandalous I guess.
Nevertheless the census dates and age arithmetic are still out by zero for the 1961 date and age but out by 1 or 2 years for the other two census/age combinations.
A question on this I note that the file reference for all the children is "4b". Is the file reference then a family file? Does having the same file reference confirm any relationship, or is it just chance or other collation reference?
For the children of Vincent, Charles Edgar
Vincent Clara Stepney 1c483 Stepney is near or in WestHam. Place appears on a census for Clara.
VINCENT Charles Alfred Norwich 4b174
VINCENT Agnes Emma Norwich 4b16_ Baptism record shows "Emma Agnes" so I guess the birth certificate will...
The automated connection of FS records is probably right - but needs to be validated. My recent Ancestry tree appears to be more correct, although lots of sources still to be validated, then other trees with the Vincent names. I think that this is largely as the other trees are following...
I suspect this is not the right Vincent. All the children baptism, census, electoral records etc centre around St Stephens and Rampant Horse St and Red Lion St around which I understand their was a hotel. Charles Alfrted and Frederick Edgar were hotelkeepers/barmen in South Africa. Family...
I suspect this is the right Vincent as I too cannot find other references.
However, time in the work house, and my assumption on education levels may have dimmed the memory (said lightly).
Census age for Vincent, Charles Edgar
1851 - 11yrs old = 1840 (as son in Tendring House)
1861 - 23yrs old...