1871/1881/1891 Census Lookup

[davelambert271]

Hi
1851 Wales Census

Name: John Elliott
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Totnes, Devon, England
Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Llanelly
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Household schedule number: 110
Address; Sea Side, Llanelly
John Elliott 48 Totnes, Devon, Coal Shipper
Jam Elliott 23 Swansea
Eliza Ann Elliott 19 Swansea
Elizabeth Jane Rees 1 G. Dau, Llanelly

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
1861 Wales Census

Name: John Elliot
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Totnes, Devon, England

Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Llanelly
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: New Dock, Llanelly
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shipping Agent
Registration district: Llanelly
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
John Elliot 59 Totnes
Selina Elliot 26 Dau Swansea
Jane Elliot 8 G. Dau Llanelly (dau of Samuel)

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
Samuel is lodging (as visitor) with this family (are they relations?). It is two house down on the census from his father John, and also in the same row of houses as his future wife Mary, (see next post)

1851 Wales Census
Name: Samuel Elliott
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Llanelly
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Household schedule number: 112
Address; Machyins Row, Llanelly

William Evans 36 Llandefeilog, Coal trimmer
Ann Evans 32 Pembrey
Margaret Evans 10 Llanelly
Elizabeth Evans 6 Llanelly
Mary Evans 4 Llanelly
Catherine Evans 2 Llanelly
Daniel Evans 60 Swansea
Samuel Elliott 21 Swansea - Coal Trimmer

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1851 Wales Census

Name: Mary Rogers
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Llanelly
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Household schedule number: 118
Address; Machyins Row, Llanelly

John Rogers 40 Llangennech, Carpenter
Mary Rogers 31 Llanelly
Thomas Rogers 19 Llangennech
John Rogers 17 Llangennech
Mary Rogers 15 Llangennech
Eliza Rees 10 Llangendenne
Catherine Rogers 2 Llanelly
William Rogers 8 Llanelly

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Charlie
I cannot believe that Samuel did not have children between Jane in 1853and Thomas in 1865
So far I have not found Samuel in 1861 but I think this could be his wife Mary with a child and her mother. It looks as if her mother has remarried, but this needs checking.

1861 Wales Census

Name: Walter Lloyd
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales (The actual place is unreadable, unless perhaps if you know welsh)
Civil Parish or Township: Monmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Monmouth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Monmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 156

Walter Lloyd 42 Shoemaker
Mary Lloyd 50
Sarah Harper 30 Step Dau
Mary Elliott 25 Step dau
Henry Elliott 4

There is also a Maud Elliott aged 5 in 1861 living with William Hall and his wife Emma Selina Clarke. I think I have already sent you this record earlier. She could possibly be Samuels child
I wonder where Samuel was. Wherever, he was last recorded in 1851 in the coal business, probably to do with his fathers business, but reappeared in 1871 as a train driver

dave

 

[Charlie Elliott]

I'll try to figure out all you've posted in a minute and piece it together, but this may interest you... someone from another site sent this to me, before you confirmed John Elliott as being related to me.

1871 census John Elliott Llanelly
Coal Yard
John Elliott Head Mar 70 Retired Coal Shipper Devon, Totnes
Elizabeth Wife Mar 55 Glamorgan Gower
Mary Hannah Higman Serv 15 gen serv, domestic Cornwall Truro


1861 census John Elliott Llanelly
New Dock Sch 29
John Elliott head widower 59 Shipping agent Devon Totnes Selina Dau unm 24 Glam. Swansea
Jane G’dau 8 Carm Llanelly

Machynis Row (same page Sch 31)
Daniel Rees head mar 33 Pilot Carm Llanelly
Mary Ann wife mar 30 Glam Swansea
Elizabeth Jane dau 12 scholar Carm Llanelly

Right now, I'm very confused, if you could help me peice this all together, I'd be very greatful.

Charlie,

 

[Charlie Elliott]

I cannot believe that Samuel did not have children between Jane in 1853and Thomas in 1865
So far I have not found Samuel in 1861 but I think this could be his wife Mary with a child and her mother. It looks as if her mother has remarried, but this needs checking.

I didn't know about Jane... so wait, Samuel had more children than the ones in the 1871 and 1881 census?

In 1871 there is a family
Samuel Elliott 41 Swansea Railway engine driver
Mary 37 Llanelly
Thomas 6 Bettws, Carmarthen
Edward 6 Bettws
Mary N 4 Bettws
Robert 2 Bettws
John 1 Bettws
You will note Samuel was born Swansea, and was a train driver

In 1881 the family is thus
Samuel 50 Swansea, rlwy train driver
Mary 47 llanelly
Mary 14 Carmarthen
Robert 13 Carmarthen
John 11 Carmarthen
Samuel 8 Swansea
David 4 Abergavenny
William C 2 Abergavenny
Thomas and Edward are not on the census.

Is this to say thatSamuel had more children than just these?? He had a lot of children, if so. Right now, I'm still finding it incredibly difficult to understand... Maud Elliott was with William and Emily in the 1901 census, definitely, not the 1861 one... - that Maud is Thomas Elliott's daughter, not Samuels..

Confused to hell, if anyone has a huge brain, can they please help me put this together? :'(

 

[Charlie Elliott]

It would seem that it's incredibly hard to prove that Samuel Elliott had any children between Jane in 1853, and Thomas/Edward in 1865 - as the person who Dave has got me in touch with who has done extensive research into the Elliott line, is also unable to find records of any other children.

The information I have also recently discovered that may be of interest, is the fact that Samuel Elliott snr. may have been the first person to drive a train up the Amman Valley, and also, on a point which mostly is good news for me, even during the 1800's, it would seem that the Elliott's had a knack of refusing to die, and living well into their 80's and 90's on many occasions.

I cannot thank everyone enough for the hard work they have put in, researching for me, especially davelambert271, and I cannot express how truely greatful I am.

Supposedly, there has been further research done on Richard's predecessors, but as of yet, it has been impossible to confirm... once I have this un-confirmed research in my hands, I will be sure to share it with you all, whether you want me to or not

Charlie.