1888 Death Informant

[DaveHam9]

DEATHS Registered in the District of Ballynahinch in the Union of Downpatrick in the County of Down
No. 161 - 1888 Twentyeighth April Ballymaglave - John Lightbody - male - 98 years - Gate-Keeper - Old age & debility some months no medical attendant - Francis/Frances ? Linden ? Present at death Ballymaglave - Seventh May 1888 - J Dickson Registrar

I have not found any connection yet to that informant.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

22 Aug 1886 At RC Chapel Ballynahinch Francis Linden married Charlotte Lightbody of Ballymaglave, dau of James deceased.

That death in 1888 at age 98 is probably not the death of Mary Lightbody's father.

I can't find a death that fits for John and Charlotte Lightbody.

 

[Ellie7]

MissCharlotteLIGHTBODY.Magheradrool wife of Francis Linden ; mother of Margaret Ellen bpt.25 Apr 1890 at Ballynahinch Catholic Church

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

The Lightbody family I'm tracing was Presbyterian. That 1888 death for John probably does not fit.

 

[Ellie7]

The wife takes the Husbands Religion at marr

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes but age and occupation for John don't fit.

Charlotte is not the daughter of my John & Charlotte because her father is James.

 

[DaveHam9]

Says full age and I can't find a birth for a Charlotte Lightbody around 1866.

 

[Ellie7]

Linden

Charlotte

1850

1893

1893

Irish Deaths 1864 - 1958

Downpatrick, Down, Ireland

 

[PaulLinden]

Francis Linden from Ballynahinch was my great grandfather, and married Charlotte Lightbody in 1886. Ballymaglave is part of Ballynahinch so it’s almost certain these are the same people.

According to family lore, Francis was an employee of the Lightbody family and eloped with Charlotte. Since he was Catholic and she was Presbyterian, they were apparently cut off from contact with both of their families. This conflicts somewhat with the date of death you gave for John Lightbody since Francis and Charlotte were already married, but perhaps they were reconciled by then.

I’ve been unable to definitively trace anyone further back than Francis and Charlotte.

Given the age you provide it is possible that John Lightbody is Charlotte’s grandfather.

It’s also possible that Charlotte was also known as Elizabeth. My grandfather’s birth is registered to Elizabeth Lightbody in 1888, so she might have been Charlotte Elizabeth or Elizabeth Charlotte. In addition to my grandfather, she had a daughter, Ellen Margaret, in 1890, and died soon after. Ellen Margaret married Hugh Galbraith in 1916.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Paul and welcome to the Forum.

Thanks for the information.

Samuel Hamilton is my ancestor's younger brother.

Samuel HAMILTON .Magheradrool a labourer of Ballymacarn; son of James Hamilton (a small farmer) ; aged 21 or 27 married Mary Lightbody 21 Mar 1851 of Ballymaglave 20 Mar 1851 at Magheradrool Church of Ireland, witnesses were John Gray & Martin Armstrong CR

Miss Mary LIGHTBODY. Magheradrool of Ballymaglave; daughter of John Lightbody (a servant) ; aged 21 married Samuel Hamilton 21 Mar 1851 at Magheradrool Church of Ireland, witnesses were John Gray & Martin Armstrong


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

The marriage has the father as James, deceased

1886 Marriage solemnized at the Roman Catholic Chapel at Ballynahinch in the Registrar's District of Ballynahinch in the Union of Downpatrick in the County of Down
No. 75 - 22 August 1886
Francis Linden - Full - Bachelor - Dealer - Glasgow - William Linden Deceased - Labourer
Charlotte Lightbody - Full - Spinster - - - Ballymaglave - James Lightbody Deceased - Labourer
Married ... by me Patrick Quail
Parties signed Witnesses: Thos. McManus, Helen Marparct ? McManus
Registered 24th August 1886 J. Dickson Registrar


That 1888 is for a John aged 98.

The Irish side if my tree is a never ending puzzle.

 

[Ellie7]

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

 

[PaulLinden]

The Irish side if my tree is a never ending puzzle.

Yes, half the men are called John or James (although there are too many called Francis and William among the Lindens), and half the women are called Mary or Ellen. Also the Famine probably caused a lot of disruption even in Ulster, and the loss of all the pre-1901 census records makes it much harder. It’s even more frustrating because I grew up around a lot of people who knew a lot of this family information but I never had any interest when they were still alive.

But thanks for the information and hints. In the past week I’ve found a possible older brother, William, of this Francis (same small town, father William, and dates are consistent)

Right now, the Lightbody side of the family needs most work.

 

[DaveHam9]

I grew up around a lot of people who knew a lot of this family information but I never had any interest when they were still alive

.

So true. My case as well. No interest until all grand parents and mother had passed. A photo of a family group of 10 and I can't put a name to a single one of them.

 

[DaveHam9]

Paul, if you need help then post to a topic or more here. We have one very helpful member here who lives in Ireland.

 

[PaulLinden]

In case you’re interested, I found two records of marriage for James Lightbody in Killinchy, Co Down in the 1840s. Killinchy is about 12 miles from Ballynahinch.

First was in 1842 to Jane Gibson in Second Presbyterian Church, Killinchy. Second in 1845 to Anne Gordon.

Hard to know if either is the same person as the father of Charlotte.

This is via Ancestry.com

Same source shows a James Lightbody, father Robert, baptized in Killinchy Presbyterian church 3 Dec 1821

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Paul.

I still think you might get some help if you posted a query or two.

 

[Ellie7]

The Census were lost in a fire , which is why you are having trouble.

 

[Ellie7]

I see he was living in Glasgow at the time of marriage,like my sister in Laws ancs .They stayed in Scotland and never went back to Ireland.Have you tried ScotlandsPeople for a death record.You can use Jane's surname before marr.also

 

[Ellie7]

LINDEN
ELLEN MARGARET
65

1956
644/7 569
Kelvin


ScotlandsPeople