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1913 Electoral Roll - SPACKMAN & THORNLEY

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Possibly Gurrundah/Grabben Gullen
SPACKMAN Ellen
SPACKMAN John
SPACKMAN Hubert Patrick

Normanhurst or Parramatta ??
THORNLEY Alfred


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Sloman.

DEATH. SLOMAN.— On 9th September, 1922. at Parramatta District Hospital. George Sloman, of 26 East-street. Granville, dearly beloved husband of Martha Sloman, aged 75 years.

SMH Sat May 15 1875 – 1st wife Alice Maria Fitzwater – b 1852 NSW - married 1871 Albury NSW – had 3 children with her.
Suicide at Wodonga.— A Wodonga telegram to the Argus states that an inquest was held last Monday week by Captain Brownrigg on the body of Mrs. Sloman. who committed suicide on Sunday morning by cutting her throat with her husband's razor. No cause can be attributed for the rash act, Mr. Sloman being in good circumstances, and the husband and wife apparently living most happily together. Deceased leaves three children, the youngest being six months old. A verdict of temporary insanity was returned.

George remarried 1878 to Martha Ferguson – Albury NSW & had 10 children with her.

Tree has Martha b 1853 Enniskillen N Ireland – died 1940 Burwood NSW

George Sloman b 1846 Clifton Bristol – died 1922 NSW

SMH Fri 7 June 1940
SLOMAN – June 8 at a private hospital Strathfield, Martha, widow of the late George Sloman late of Oatley and West Homebush and formerly Granville, beloved Mother of Louisa, Henry, William, George, Frith, Charles, Oliver, Edgar, James, John, Dorothy and Walter aged 87 years.

Louisa, Henry and William are Alice Maria nee Fitzwater’s children (1st wife)
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Thanks Val.

There are some errors in the index. This is one entry on the Victorian fiche at the SLNSW.

1870 FITZWATER Alice Maria (b. NSW) & SLOMAN George #1494

I didn't have the details of Alice's death.

Seems the informant got Martha's mother's name wrong.

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Gunning in the County of Collector in Argyle in the Year 1852
No. 10 ? When Baptised: 1852 Sept. 26 When Born: 1852 July 30th Alice Maria - William George & Elizabeth Augusta Fitzwater Abode: Gunning Quality or Profession: Storekeeper By whom the Ceremony was performed: Robt. Cartwright Chaplain
 

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Spackman

Hubert Spackman b 1887 to John Joseph & Ellen Spackman nee O’Neill

married 1st to Charlotte Gorman nee Storrier 1914 NSW – she died 1925 and

Hubert’s 2nd marriage in 1941 to Caroline Hogan nee Howarth (she 1st married Robert Hogan in 1903 Crookwell) and she remarried after Hubert’s death - 22 Oct 1960 to a Clement Lawrence Cotton NSW – she died Nov 1966

Hubert is buried 1 June 1953 at RC Cemetery Rookwood – Section *M2 – 18 – 2703

Caroline Cotton buried 30 August 1966 RC Cemetery Rookwood Section M2 – 7 - 2074
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Thanks Val.

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - GOULBURN - KIALLA POLLING-PLACE
52 GORMAN Charlotte Elizabeth, Mount Fitton, domestic duties

I didn't have Hubert's burial.

Didn't know HOGAN was her married name.


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THORNLEY

Alfred Thornley b 1889 Marrickville to William & Betsy Thornley nee Ball - married Florence M Salmon 1915 Sydney NSW – died 1975 NSW

Sands has:
1900 William (father) Warren Rd Marrickville
1910 William (father ) at Victoria Rd Marrickville
Death of William..
DEATH OF MR. WILLIAM THORNLEY.
Mr. William Thornley, who was one of the pioneers of the iron industry in New South Wales, died in Adelaide yesterday morning while on a business trip to that city. Mr. Thornley had a large contract with the South Australian Government for the manufacture of interlocking gear. He had a stroke last Friday week, but rallied for a while. It is under stood that the body will be brought to Sydney for burial. Mr. Thornley was a prominent member of the Marrickville Bowling Club, whose flag was flown half-mast yesterday.

7 Oct 1911 at Mia Hill’s Private Hospital Adelaide, William Thornely of W Thornley & Sons Engineers Marrickville Sydney NSW. Aged 54 years.

1915 Mrs Betsy Thornley at same address

Mum Betsy’s death SMH Thursday 4 Aug 1938
THORNLEY.--The Relatives and friends of Mr.and Mrs. W. G. SLOMAN, Mr. and Mrs. T. W. THORNLEY. Mr and Mrs C RUNCIMAN, Mr. and Mrs A. THORNLEY, and Mr and Mrs F THORNLEY and FAMILIES are invited to attend the funeral of their beloved MOTHER and GRANDMOTHER. Betsy Thornley to leave 4 Francis Street. Marrickville, THIS DAY at 10.15 a.m for Church of England Cemetery Rookwood.

THORNLEY-August 3 1938 at her residence 4 Francis street Marrickville, Betsy widow of the late William Thornley aged 81 vears.


NSW BMD has a marriage of a William G Sloman to a Mary A Thornley in 1906 - Lithgow NSW
Mary A Sloman was Alfred's sister and their marriage info
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102706656?searchTerm=sloman - thornley&searchLimits=l-decade=190

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Thanks Val.

I didn't have the Sands Directory entries.

I had one other short death notice and this funeral notice.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889-1931) - Monday 9 October 1911 p.2
FUNERAL NOTICES
THE FRIENDS of the late Mr. WILLIAM THORNLEY, of Marrickville, N.S.W., are respectfully informed that his Remains were Removed from the Residence of Mr. R. K. Threifall, Edsall-street, Norwood, on SUNDAY, the 8th inst., and interred in the Payneham Cemetery.
PENGELLEY & KNASE, Undertakers, Rundle-street east.
Telephone 496.

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The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954) - Saturday 1 September 1906 p.10
SOCIAL
... Despite the excessively wet weather there was a large gathering at St Paul's Church of England, Lithgow on Thursday afternoon, when Miss Mary Alice Thornley, eldest surviving daughter of Mr. William Thornley general manager of Eskbank Ironworks, was married to Mr. William George Sloman, second son of Mr. George Sloman of Granville. The church had been decorated by friends of the bride and over the altar hung a large wedding bell. The Rev. R. J. Cameron officiated. Miss Ethel Thornley (sister of the bride) and Miss Grimshaw (of Sydney) were the bridesmaids ...
 

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Births Mar 1879
Thornley Mary Alice Bolton 8c 475
Births Mar 1881
THORNLEY Mary Alice Bolton 8c 409

William & Betsy and family arrived betweem 1879 and 1881 or 1883. Not found in 1881 census. Shipping record not yet found.

1883 NSW Sands Directory
THORNLEY William, Livingstone st, Marrickville, ironturner
 

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GOULBURN—KIALLA
Spackman Frederick Gullen farmer
Spackman Hubert Patrick Bannister labourer

Can't see John & Ellen Spackman, closest I can find from Sands directory 1919 Gurrundah farmer

Checked all NSW nothing coming up, what year was Alfred Thornley born?

GRANVILLE—GRANVILLE
Sloman Charles Spencer East-street carpenter
Sloman George East-street machinist
Sloman Gertrude May East-street domestic duties
Sloman James Samuel East-street carpenter
Sloman John Clarence East-street timekeeper
Sloman Martha East-street domestic duties
Sloman Una East-street domestic duties

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Found him through his Betsy

MARRICKVILLE—MARRICKVILLE
Thornley Alfred Victoria-road clerk
Thornley Betsy Victoria-road domestic duties
Thornley Ethel Victoria-road domestic duties

Understanding now why some can't be found.
Searching pdf through control f [Thornley Alfred] no details
When you copy name off page and paste it shows [Thornley Alf red]
He can be found if you search Alfred with the gap.
Same as copying Marrickville-Marrickville reads MARIMOMME—mhateiornuir

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Thanks Rupert.

I don't have a Frederick Spackman so I wonder how he fits. * * John's brother.

Charles and Sarah had 11 children and I only followed one in my tree - John.

12070/1877 SPACKMAN FREDERICK C CHARLES SARAH GOULBURN
11758/1897 SPACKMAN FREDERICK H ALFRED MARY J CROOKWELL
23041/1899 SPACKMAN FREDERICK A ALFRED G CHARLOTTE MURRUMBURRAH


Death 7218/1947 SPACKMAN JOHN - CHARLES - SARA - YOUNG ** 23 Apr 1947

SPACKMAN John Death notice 02MAY1947 Death 87 Goulburn Post 05MAY1947 ??

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Trees have John Joseph Spackman b 10 Sept 1859 Goulburn to Charles and Sarah Smith (Reg no: 7596) and his death 23 April 1947 Young - married Ellen Daisy O"Neill 27 Aug 1886 Crookwell.

Father Charles b 25 Dec 1826 Milton-Liborne Wiltshire - died 9 Oct 1885 Gullen NSW
Mother Sarah Smith b 10 Aug 1838 Crookwell married twice:
1st Charles Spackman 20 Jan 1857 Goulburn - they had 12 children.

and after Charles's death A Tree has she remarried 14 May 1890 to Michael Stapleton Gouldburn - she died 31 Oct 1934 Crookwell

Death 20307/1934 STAPLETON SARAH 98 YRS CROOKWELL CROOKWELL ** 2 Nov 1934


Michael Stapleton's details b 2 Dec 1861 Clonoutly Tipperary Ireland - died 1932 Randwick. are not part of this family - his family details on his death - SMH 1932
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16918571?searchTerm=Michael stapleton&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=193|||l-year=1932

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Thanks Val.

CofE Bap at Goulburn - that would be St Saviour
SPACKMAN John Bap 24 Oct 1859 GLB Charles/Sarah


Index has this date so don't know which one is correct:

4044/1886 SPACKMAN JOHN J - O'NEILL ELLEN - CROOKWELL ** 25 May 1886

Date in index does not agree with other info - she died in Crookwell Hospital:

Death 20307/1934 STAPLETON SARAH 98 YRS CROOKWELL CROOKWELL ** 2 Nov 1934

STAPLETON (Mrs M) Death notice 31OCT1934 Death 98 late of Crookwell Goulburn Post 06NOV1934


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this is an Orbit off a Tree – can’t locate in Trove

Mr John Spackman

An old identity of Crookwell district passed away in the Old peoples home at Young.
Mr Spackman was 87 years of age and had been an inhabitant of the home for 9 months.
He was active right up until the last few days before his death which was caused by heart failure.
Deceased leaves 4 sons and 6 brothers.
Sons: Bert (Sydney), Ern (harden), Charles (Qld) and Kerron (Cobargo)

The brothers are Harry and George (Sydney), Bill (Bowral), Tom and Fred (Crookwell) and Walter (Goulburn)
Deceased also leaves 12 grandchildren and 7 great grandchildren.
The remains were conveyed from St Mary’s and interred in the Catholic Portion of the Young Cemetery.

His sons were:
Herbert Partrick 1887-1953 NSW
Ernest James 1888-1952 Harden NSW
Charles O 1893 -? no info
Keiran 1895-28 Aug 1992 Moruya NSW

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I have sent numerous emails to NSW BMD over the past 9 months and have never had a satisfactory reply to any query.

I've asked if the date in the index is the date of registration and was told there is no such date. I have dozens of copies of NSW records that clearly show a date of registration.

I've asked why some dates in the index are dates that don't exist - eg. 31 September, and was told I had to purchase a copy to get the correct date even though the BMD caused the error in the first place.

You get a standard reply that tells you how to use the site implying you have no idea what you are doing and that it's NOT possible by entering specific dates to get the date of the event. The site very clearly allows the user to enter a specific day and month and year.

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