2x John POLLOCK

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

1861 Scotland Census
Name: Sarah Pollock
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 573/2
Registration district: Paisley Low Church
Civil parish: Paisley Low Church
Town: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 9 Senthill ?
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1861_80
Household Members: Name Age
John Pollock 33
Sarah Pollock 31
John Pollock 10
Stephen Pollock 8
James Pollock 5
Margaret Pollock 5 Mo

I'd like a check of that address please. I'm wondering if it is in fact 8 not 9. Also I'd like pob for John.


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The 2nd John:

Elizabeth ARROL married a John POLLOCK baker journeyman in 1868 at Paisley. Elizabeth died in 1874 in Paisley. Looking at 1871 census that must have been John's 2nd marriage and it looks as though he married again before 1881.

1871
CP: Paisley Low Church
Renfrew
Address: 69 Causeyside
Elizabeth Pollock age 43 wife born Paisley
John son age 16 bakers son born Greenock
Robert son age 14 bakers son born Paisley
Ellen dau age 14 bakers dau born Paisley

I'd like a look up please for possible John in 1861 and 1881. I hope the children help.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Other site has Seedhill with no number and John is born in Paisley

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

But there is no trace of any John the baker in the Paisley area. The only likely family I can find kind of matching are a Jane and her children but Robert and John are transposed. Helen/Ellen is the right age. Now it is intrigung me.
Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

Here is the baker in 1881

Barbara

DICKSON, James Head Married M 37 1844 Carpenter
Greenock
Renfrewshire
DICKSON, Isabella Wife Married F 32 1849
Pasley
DICKSON, James Son Unmarried M 9 1872 Scholar
Greenock
DICKSON, Jean Daughter Unmarried F 7 1874 Scholar
Greenock
DICKSON, John Son Unmarried M 5 1876 Scholar
Greenock
DICKSON, William Son Unmarried M 3 1878
Greenock
POLLOCK, John Father-In-Law Widower M 56 1825 Baker
Glasgow
Lanarkshire

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Piece:
5643 Folio:
30 Page:
22 Registration District:
West District

Civil Parish:
Greenock West Municipal Borough:
Address:
34, Kelly Street, Greenock West County:
Renfrewshire

 

[barbarajoh]

He wasn't home much was he? 1861



MCGUIRK, John Head Married M 40 1821 Labourer
Ireland N/A
MCGUIRK, Jane Wife Married F 39 1822 Housewife
Ireland N/A
MCGUIRK, John Son Single M 12 1849 Appe Potter
Glasgow
Lanarkshire N/A
FORSYTH, Archibald Boarder Single M 23 1838 Carter
Glasgow
Lanarkshire N/A
HOOD, Mathew Boarder Single M 19 1842 Journeyman Baker
Neilston
Renfrewshire N/A
REOCH, James Boarder Single M 14 1847 Appt Baker
Brig of Weir
Renfrewshire N/A
POLLOCK, John Boarder Widower M 30 1831 Journeyman Baker
Glasgow
Lanarkshire N/A

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Piece:
644 Folio:
1 Page:
7 Registration District:
Central

Civil Parish:
St Mungo Municipal Borough:
Address:
Castle Street, St Mungo County:
Lanarkshire

 

[barbarajoh]

This is the family I first found in 1861 going by the children. With the added Isabella I would say they are the right lot with wife Jane even tho he says he is a widower in 61. Better kill off Jane quickly. I checked on Scotlandspeople and Ellen's mum was Jane and father John a baker.

POLLOCK, Jane Head Married F 37 1824 Laundress
Paisley
Renfrewshire
POLLOCK, Andrew Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Draw Boy Silk
Paisley
Renfrewshire
POLLOCK, Isabella Daughter F 12 1849 Domestic Servant
Paisley
Renfrewshire
POLLOCK, Robert Son M 9 1852 Tobacco Spiner
Greenock
Renfrewshire
POLLOCK, John Son M 6 1855 Scholar
Greenock
Renfrewshire POLLOCK, Ellen Daughter F 3 1858
Paisley
Renfrewshire

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Piece:
573 Folio:
2 Page:
8 Registration District:
Low Church

Civil Parish:
Greenock Municipal Borough:
Address:
Canal Street, Greenock, Paisley County:
Renfrewshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Other site has Seedhill with no number and John is born in Paisley

Barbara

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

I have a death certificate and I'm sure it says 8 Seedhill, Paisley so I must have the right family in 1861.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

Amazing how many journeyman bakers I have. :2fun: Do they follow the fairs with a portable oven?

One more to add to my list to get from SP.

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James Dickson
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 22 Sep 1871 Middle Or New Parish,​Greenock,​Renfrew,​Scotland
spouse: Isabella Pollock

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Page 18
1863 Deaths in the Parish of Low Church in the Burgh of Paisley
#52 - Margaret Gifford (Widow of Stephen Gifford Chelsea Pensioner) - 1863 March Eleventh 4h 20m P.M. 22 Causeyside street Paisley - F - 61 years - Daniel Clark Tailor (deceased) Sarah Clark M.S. Nicol (deceased) - Gastric Fever 6 weeks as certified by James Hutchison Surgeon - John Pollock Son in Law 8 Seedhill Paisley (Not present) - 1863 March 12th at Paisley Robert Donald Registrar

 

[barbarajoh]

So that must be Jane's parents or am I now confused?

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

I confused you with a 2-in-1, Barbara.

Margaret is Sarah's mother - post #1 above the ----

 

[DaveHam9]

I have 4 possible for John b. 1825 - 1829 Paisley in 1841 after ruling out non-weavers.

Sarah died 1899 and I have no death for John:

1891 Scotland Census
Name: Sarah Polloclk
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 573
Registration district: Paisley
Civil parish: Paisley Abbey
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 8 Abbey Street
ED: 84
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_192
Household Members: Name Age
John Pollock 66
Sarah Pollock 62

I don't know what parish of Paisley Sarah was born in but they married in Low Church.

John POLLOCK & Sarah GIFFORD
10 Aug 1850 Low Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Husband Age at Marriage: 21
Wife Age at Marriage: 20

Census says 66 in 1891 or marriage says 21 in 1850. I think I'll go by the census.

 

[DaveHam9]

Children:

John
Stephen * Sarah's father
James
Margaret * Sarah's mother
Peter
Sarah

Seems to indicate John's father is John.

Ruling out those that are not John leaves only one in FreeCEN:

Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 57 Page: 8
Address: 18 Stock St

Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FLEMING Mary F 40 Wynder Renfrewshire
POLLOCK James M 19 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire
POLLOCK John M 14 Hand Loom Weaver Assistant Renfrewshire
POLLOCK Stewart M 12 Hand Loom Weaver Assistant Renfrewshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

1891 Scotland Census
Name: Sarah Polloclk
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 573
Registration district: Paisley
Civil parish: Paisley Abbey
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 8 Abbey Street
ED: 84
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_192
Household Members: Name Age
John Pollock 66
Sarah Pollock 62

Sarah died in 1899 and I don't know which of these his spouse John.

Death 1891 John POLLOCK Paisley, Renfrew b. 1829 +/-1

Death 1902 John POLLOCK Paisley, Renfrew b. 1829 +/-2

I'd like a look up for John in 1901 please. I hope there is something that will rule that one in or out.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Your addition is a wee bit oot! He is 66 in the 1891 so he is born around 1825 so your search for 1829+/- 1 year leaves out a John Pollock who died i 1896 aged 72 573/00 0083

Now I'll go lookin the census but still can't copy and paste anything, any ideas how to fix it?

barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

The other two in 1891 are a

John born 1826 shall weaver married to a Maggie
John 1827 carpet weaver a vistitor to a Renfrew househouse (name not area)

going by that the 1896 death might be the most likely. The 1902 one is born 1831 anyway.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thanks.

I didn't use the age in the most recent census. Hard to know which record to believe, the most recent census or age at marriage.

Do we know what his occupation was?

I'll ask you about the copy and paste problem tomorrow.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Yep but better to trawl with a wider net on SP and catch more little fishes or Pollocks in this case Unless it is a name like John Mcdonald! Only 6 Pollocks came up with a ten year range of birth.

I'll plitter about with it and try and fix it but might be beyond me.

barbara