98th Regiment c1829

[Sashar]

Looking for further information on the 98th Regiment c1829 at the Cape of Good Hope.
I have found a John FARRELLY in the 98th Regiment Cape of Good Hope tried and sentenced to 14yrs for House Breaking.
His convict details are here:-
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=81453

I have attached (I think) a file on him which was sent to me but I'm not sure where it has originated from.
I'd be interested if someone could transcribe what they think is written as a notation on the side.

Regards,
Sashar

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Sashar,

The problem with attachments is that the site limits the size of the file. The result is that when you zoom in it's impossible to read.

All four CON files are actually on line so you may view all of them.

That information would be in one and possibly two of the four files.

Regards,

Dave

 

[Sashar]

Hi Dave,
I'm not familiar with those files at all.
Thanks for the hint about the links - I didn't realise they linked to the files.
Do you just have to search through the files or is there a clue as to where you find the page etc.
I seem to be getting nowhere.

Regards,
Sashar

 

[DaveHam9]

Taking this one the CON31/1/13 the ones bold are the clue to the position in the file.

I agree, it's not straightforward.

You need to keep in mind the vessel and the arrival date and the name.

The records are sorted by vessel first so you need to find the page where 'Georgiana' starts.

 

[Sashar]

Finally found one of the items, it was on page 99 of 299, the page number would be a help.
I guess it's all sorted somehow so it fits their records but I'm still confused with the order etc.
I think the item reads:-
F (Father) alive Co. Cavan ?? Thos Farrelly
I am M (married?) my W (wife) on board Free? I
belonged to the 98th Regt. tried at ????
the Sup. Cot (Supreme Court??) of C. G of H (Cape of Good Hope) for Housebreaking
and sentenced to 14yrs ?????? D. Thornhill
I was Sentry on the Stow???? (private???)
tried at the C of GH

I've googled 98th Regiment and keep coming up with a Scottish Regiment.
Still not sure if that is right.

Thanks for your help,
Sashar

 

[DaveHam9]

Some details of the 98th - HERE

and HERE

 

[Sashar]

Thanks Dave,
so the 98th Regiment was raised in Chichester in 1824 - thankyou.

What was an Irishman doing in that mix :biggrin:

I have found John FARRELLY was a prisoner on the Georgina in 1829 (along with another prisoner picked up in Cape Town). It appears John's wife was also on board the ship to Tasmania. John somehow escaped being left in Hobart and about 6 weeks later both prisoners were sent to Sydney (still on the Georgina).
It doesn't mention the wife but from Hobart to Sydney on the same voyage it mentions a Mrs. Ann Farley/Fairley and 2 children as passengers.
So if that was John Farrelly's wife, we have gained 2 children that were not mentioned before.

I'm not sure this is the John FARRELLY I'm looking for even though the one I'm chasing also has Ann as a wife. I have John and Ann FARRELLY in Sth Australia by 1856, lst child I can find belonging to them born c1834. That's going by marriage and death dates, no birth records. Their second child is Thomas which is the name John FARRELLY stated on his convict record being his father's name.

Lots of common names and coincidences but no proof.
I can't find John FARRELLY and family in NSW so I'm not sure what happened to him.
Think I'll leave it there as a dead end but thankyou for your help with explaining records etc - I have learnt a little along the way

Kind Regards,
Sashar

 

[DaveHam9]

Ah. So you have a John in South Australia and he may or may not be the convict ex 98th.

I'd not give up yet. Well, I mean I'd post hoping someone here can make more progress by ruling out the convict perhaps or by finding something in early South Australian records.

 

[DaveHam9]

FARRELLY John Georgiana 1829 40/2141 Ticket of Leave [4/4144; Reel 938] District: Paterson; Tried: Cape of Good Ho

FARRELLY John Georgiana 1829 43/1534 16 Sep 1843 Certificate of Freedom [4/4385; Reel 1015] TL 40/2141

 

[Sashar]

Ah amazing! Does that mean he got a ticket of leave in 1840 and his freedom in 1843?
You can tell I haven't found any convicts in my family tree before - there's always hope

So if I have children born to my John & Ann FARRELLY from around 1834 that I definately know of, does that rule out the convict John Farrelly. Would he be separated from his wife through the years he was a convict 1829 - 1843?

Records in Sth Australia in the 1850's have the surname as FARRELLY, FARLEY, FARRILLY so when I saw Mrs. Farley/Fairley on the Georgina I thought it quite possible she was convict FARRELLY's wife.

I have quite extensive records for the Sth Australian FARRELLY family but no definate arrival other than a Mr. Farley, wife and 7 children arriving 1849 on the JOHN MITCHELL. Even that doesn't tie in perfectly with the children's ages.

 

[ianto73]

Sashar, in terms of the formation of Infantry Regiments, most were formed and were given the name of the person who formed them. Then they became the "NUMBER" i.e. 98th Regiment of Foot and the change to regimental names did not happen until some time after 1882. As an example, the 24th of Foot was formed in Kent, became connected to Warwickshire before being given the recruiting area of Brecon and other counties in Wales to become the South Wales Borderers. Consequently, it is not surprising that those that served with all of the regiments in those days could have come from all across the country, including Ireland. Due to all the amalgamations that have happened over decades, many names have disappeared, and my own Regiment today is now called the Royal Welsh, and includes the 23rd of Foot (Royal Welch Fusiliers); 24th of Foot (South Wales Borderers); 41st of Foot (Welch Regiment) and 69th of Foot (also Welch Regiment). Just thought this may be of interest for you.
Best Wishes with your search.
Brian

 

[DaveHam9]

CON31/1/13 Image 129
364 Farrelly John Georgiana 1929 Cape of Good Hope 14
27 went to Sydney per Georgiana


CON27/1/4 Image 5
364 Farrelly John 26 Farm labourer C of G. Hope 14 Cavan Sent to Sydney

 

[Sashar]

Brian - That was most interesting - thankyou for explaining.
Always something to learn on this site!

Regards - Sashar


Dave - CON27/1/4 Image 5
364 Farrelly John 26 Farm labourer C of G. Hope 14 Cavan Sent to Sydney

Would that mean he was a Farm Labourer before being in the 98th Regiment?

 

[DaveHam9]

A bit on the other one - Sup. Cot. is probably Supreme Court

Sentry on the Stow (frigate)

It's very common for the index entry to have no date for ToLs. But the 40/ would seem to indicate 1840.


So the first two children are: ???

?? b. abt 1834

Thomas b. ?

 

[DaveHam9]

Dave - CON27/1/4 Image 5
364 Farrelly John 26 Farm labourer C of G. Hope 14 Cavan Sent to Sydney

Would that mean he was a Farm Labourer before being in the 98th Regiment?

Yes. His original occupation on enlisting.

 

[Sashar]

Thankyou again

Children for my John and Ann FARRELLY:-

Michael b.c. 1834
Thomas b.c. 1835
John b.c. 1838
Patrick b.c. 1842
Bridget Mary b.c. 1847
Peter b.c. 1848
Edward Francis b.c. 1849

I have no exact birth dates for any of them. No birth details found on marriages or death certificates either (all in Sth Australia).

 

[DaveHam9]

CON23/1/1 F336-366

26 Labourer Co Cavan Supreme Court Cape of Good Hope 14

 

[DaveHam9]

Thankyou again

Children for my John and Ann FARRELLY:-

Michael b.c. 1834
Thomas b.c. 1835
John b.c. 1838
Patrick b.c. 1842
Bridget Mary b.c. 1847
Peter b.c. 1848
Edward Francis b.c. 1849

I have no exact birth dates for any of them. No birth details found on marriages or death certificates either (all in Sth Australia).

Have you checked the records of Holy Trinity Adelaide for pre-registration entries? That is for those before 1843.

 

[Sashar]

I have no proof that the family came from Cavan, Ireland but I've managed to contact someone from each branch of the seven children and they all have the story that they originated from Cavan. No one knows when they came.

I haven't checked Holy Trinity myself. I will check with another family member to see if they have. The Farrelly family were of the Catholic faith and were involved with establishing some of the early churches in country Sth Australia.
There would have to be baptism records if they were born here. Unfortunately a lot of the records in the Country towns are lost or in bad repair.

I'll let you know if I have some luck with Holy Trinity.

Sashar

 

[Sashar]

I've now found out that the youngest child Edward Francis FARRELLY b.c.1849 has a medical record (in Sth Australia) stating he arrived in the colony in 1849 from Plymouth but doesn't state where he arrived or on what ship.

Edward's brother Patrick had a son Michael who died in Sth Aust in 1952.
An article on TROVE states Michael's father Patrick came to Australia from CAVAN in 1849. Once again, no port of arrival or ship.

As I mentioned previously this is as close a match as I can find:-
FARLEY John, wife, 7 ch arrived 1849-04-21 on John Mitchell from London 1848-12-03 [Source:6] Family History of South Australia website.

That would mean (if the John Mitchell is the correct ship) that Edward b. 1849 would have had to be born on the ship or in Sth Australia and going by his medical record it would have to be on the ship.

If anything, it seems John FARRELLY the convict, isn't mine.