Adam/Ferdinand HERTEL &

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 1765/1870 HERTEL ADAM FERDINAND - MAKEPEACE SUSANNAH KATE - BERRIMA * 17 Feb 1870

Death 10077/1883 HERTEL SUSANNA K - JOHN MARY A - HILLSTON * 13 Jan 1883

Death 6640/1908 HERTEL FERDINAND - JOHN A - ORANGE * 23 May 1908

National Advocate (Bathurst, NSW) - Mon 25 May 1908 p.1
An old man named Ferdinand Hertel was found dead in his bed at his residence, Piesley-street, Orange, this morning (telegraphed our Orange correspondent on Saturday). The decessed, who had been under medical attention for some days past, was about 72 years of age. He was the owner of several town allotments.

Looking for more on Adam/Ferdinand (it's about 50/50 in records) and Susannah.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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Born Germany..

NSW, Registers of Coroners' Inquests, 1821-1937
Ferdinand Hertel
Birth Place: Germany
Death Place: Orange
Inquest Date: 25 May 1908
Inquest Place: Orange
Age: 72

Geoff

 

[horse]

This is useful, marriage in the PR..

Adam Ferdinand Hertel
Marriage Age: 34
Birth Date: abt 1836
Marriage Date: 17 Feb 1870
Marriage Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Parish as it Appears: Sutton Forest All Saints & Bong Bong, Christ Church
Parents = John Adam Hertel [farmer] & Christana Hertel
Spouse: Insannch Kate Metapence [sic]

Susannah's age = 20y, b. Hobart Town, Tasmania. Mother = Mary Ann Bilston. Father = John, farmer.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Possible birth for Susannah [searching with Susannah Kate, possible 2nd marriage for mother], fits with the Tas site also..

Susannah Kate Norris
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1851
Registration Year: 1851
Registration Place: New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia
Parents = John Norris [butcher] & Mary Anne Belson
Registration Number: 441

Geoff

EDIT: Found a few trees, they have Susabnnah b. Durham, England or Berrima NSW, the above appears more likely given the marriage.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

The minister for the Sutton Forest marriage was probably Hassall.

Dave

 

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Thanks Geoff.

The minister for the Sutton Forest marriage was probably Hassall.

Not sure it is that one [difficult to read], can send the details if the library doesn't have them..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Got it at the library today Geoff along with the marriage of Robert Hertel.

Not sure yet but it's not Hassall.

John Norris
Spouse's Name Mary Anne Bilson
Event Date 3 Sep 1850
Event Place New Norfolk Tasmania

Dave

 

[horse]

Got it at the library today Geoff along with the marriage of Robert Hertel.

Not sure yet but it's not Hassall.

John Norris
Spouse's Name Mary Anne Bilson
Event Date 3 Sep 1850
Event Place New Norfolk Tasmania

Yep, first marriage Mary Anne..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

How do we get Eliza and Susannah Makepeace as spinsters if the birth reg has Norris?

Minister for Eliza's marriage was Rev H = Hugh Barker.

Dave

 

[horse]

Susannah was a spinster [minor] she must have changed her name

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Change her father's name but not her mother's. ??

I'm stuck with the minister's name. Looks like J N L Gillman but no hits for that.

Dave

 

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I'm stuck with the minister's name. Looks like J N L Gillman but no hits for that.

I couldn't work it out, looks like Johnson to me, but I'm not good with doc's.

May be worth putting on the Doc's board for ideas..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes.

I've made a change to the image so it's a bit easier to read.

No birth for Eliza on FS.

There is a list of ministers in Trove for 1867 but can't find a match.

J N L Zillman

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162483359

Death ZILLMAN JOHN H L 14329/1919 JOHN L CLARISSA - REDFERN

I think it's an N not an H.

Dave

 

[Bootzy]

Evening News Mon 29 Sept 1919 – Death of Dr Zillman
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...llman&searchLimits=l-decade=191|||l-year=1919

The West Australian – Tue 2 Dec 1919
ZILLMAN.-On September 29, at Sydney, the Rev. J. H. L. (Doctor) Ziliman; born in queensland, December, 1811; beloved father of T. L Kendall, Claremont

Name: John Haman Leopold Zillman
Spouse Name: Catherine N Kendall
Marriage Date: 1866
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Kiama, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Number: 2183

Illawarra Mercury Fri 9 Feb 1866
MARRIAGE
ZILLMAN — KENDAL. — On the 31st ultimo, at Barroul Villa, Kiama, the residence of the bride's father, by the Rev. T. Angwin, the Rev. J. H.L. Zillman, to Catherine Newel, third daughter of Thos. S. Kendall, Esq., of Kiama.

ZILLMAN CATHERINE N 6862/1875 THOMAS S – CATHERINE – KIAMA - 3 Aug 1875 – aged 32
She had just had a baby boy…
ZILLMAN ROBERT S C 13209/1875 JOHN H L - CATHERINE N – KIAMA

SMH – Sat 7 July 1875
ZILLMAN.—July 12, at the residence of her father, Thomas Kendall, Esq., J.P., Barroul Villa, Kiama, the wife of the Rev. J. H. L. Zillman, of a son.

2 other children
ZILLMAN THOMAS L K 5050/1866 JOHN H L - CATHERINE N – ARMIDALE

ZILLMAN CAROLINE CLARA 12349/1873 JOHN HERMAN L - CATHERINE NEWELL - KIAMA

John’s 2nd marriage

SMH – Sat 16 March 1878
ZILLMAN—STOKES—March 2, at All Saints', Petersham, J. H. Leopold Zillman to Elsie Elizabeth Gray Stokes. – she remarried 1913 NSW to Edward B Berrie

Another ??
Name: John Herman Leopold Zillmann
Spouse Name: Lavina Belliss
Marriage Date: 15 May 1876
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Number: 000582
Page Number: 16451

And another ???
Name: Jno Herman Leopold Zillman
Spouse Name: Winnifred Reubina Fullarton
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Number: 4970

Marriage of his son with wife #1 Catherine Newel b in 1875
The WA Mon 7 Nov 1898
ZILLMAN-JOHNSTON.—At St. John's Church, Albany, on November 1, by the Rev. D. Howell. Griffith, KENDALL, eldest son of the Rev. J. H. L. Zillman, late Rector of Hamilton, Victoria, and St. Paul's, Ipswich, Queensland, to KATIE, fourth daughter of John Johnston, Esq , of Low Grounds, Fernihurst, Victoria.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

Death ZILLMAN JOHN H L 14329/1919 JOHN L CLARISSA - REDFERN

I already have that family in my tree. Johann Leopold and Clara had 11 children.

Johann Leopold Zillmann & Luise Augusta Clara Lange
8 Jul 1837
Bethlehemskirche, Rixdorf, Berlin, Preussen
Officating Minister Pastor Gossner

Leopold Zillman
Age: 25
Native Residence Place: Frankfurt On The Oder, Brandenburg, Germany
Father's Name: Christoff Zillman
Spouse's Name: Clara Zillman
Spouse's Residence Place: Berlin, , Germany
Ship Name: 'Minerva'
Event Date: 09 Apr 1838
Volume: 9

www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A020379b.htm
...recruits for a Presbyterian-sponsored mission to the Aboriginals at Moreton Bay. The party consisted of five married artisans, ... Johann Leopold Zillmann (1813-1892) ...

http://missionaries.griffith.edu.au/qld-mission/zion-hill-mission-1838-1848

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I had only entered one of the 11 children in my actual tree but now it's two with this one.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 29 Sep 1919 p.8
DEATHS
ZILLMAN.-September 28, 1919, at his residence, 150 Elizabeth-street, Zetland, the Rev. John Herman Leopold Zillman.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 29 Sep 1919 p.7
FUNERALS
ZILLMAN.-The Relatives and Friends of Mrs. J. H. L. ZILLMAN are invited to attend the Funeral of her late beloved HUSBAND, Rev. John H. L. Zillman; to leave Wood, Coffill, and Co.'s Mortuary Chapel, 810 George-street, city, THIS DAY, at 1 p.m., for Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood.
WOOD, COFFILL, and COMPANY, Ltd.

JOHN ZILLMAN Age 78 - 30/09/1919 Zone C 06 1554

 

[DaveHam9]

1811 should be 1841

I'll look it up on Friday.

ZILLMANN JOHN H L 5127/1841 V18415127 47 JOHN L CLARA

Already swapping names

ZILLMANN LOUISA M M 5120/1840 V18405120 47 LEOPOLD CLARA

Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized by the German Missionaries at Zionshill Moreton Bay in the Year
No. 7 When Baptised: 2d. June 40 When Born: 22d May 1840 Louisa Maria Martha - Leopold & Clara Zillmann Abode: Zionshill Moreton Bay Quality or Profession: Lay-Missionary By whom the Ceremony was performed: Revd. C. Eipper

 

[DaveHam9]

18 MARRIAGES Solemnized in the District of -
No. 98 Feb. 17th 1870 All Saints Church
Adam Ferdinand Hertel - Bachelor - Scharppendorf ? Saxony Germany - Farmer - 34 - Sutton Forest - John Adam Hertel & Christiana Trumpel ? - Farmer
Susannah Kate Makepeace - Spinster - Hobart Town Tasmania - - - 20 - Sutton Forest - John Makepeace & Mary Ann Belston - Farmer
Married in the Church of England Sutton Forest According to the order of the Book of Common Prayer
Parties signed: Adam Ferdinand Hertel, Susannah Kate her x mark Makepeace
Witnesses signed: ... ? Stagg, Jane Gibbs
By me J. H. L. Zillman Officiating Minister


18 MARRIAGES Solemnized in the District of -
No. - 20th March 1872 All Saints Church Sutton Forest
Robert Hertel - Bachelor - Saxony Germany - Farmer - 24 - Reedy Creek - John Adam Hertel & Christiana Frederica (Trumpel) - Farmer
Eliza Makepeace - Spinster - Sutton Forest - - - 17 - Sutton Forest - John Makepeace & Mary Ann Belson - Farmer
Parties signed: Robert Hertel, Eliza her x mark Makepeace
Witnesses signed: Robert Fyfe, Margaret Fyfe
By me H. Barker Officiating Minister


Born Sutton Forest ??

 

[DaveHam9]

Bap V18415127 47/1841 ZILLMANN JOHN H L - JOHN L - CLARA

Page -
Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized by the German Missionaries at Zionshill Moreton Bay
No. 14 When Baptised: 9 Jany. 1842 When Born: 30 Dec 1841 John Hermann Leopold - John Leopold & Clara Zillmann Abode: Zionshill Moreton Bay Quality or Profession: Missionary By whom the Ceremony was performed: Revd. C. Eipper

 

[DaveHam9]

Death HERTEL ROBERT 14050/1939 64 YRS SYDNEY ELIZABETH - SYDNEY

That's Robert junior.

Birth HERTEL ROBERT 11424/1875 ROBERT ELIZA - GOULBURN

Only that birth in the NSW index.

Death for Robert sen. ?

Death HERTEL ELIZA 5005/1876 JOHN MARY A - BERRIMA


The Goulburn Herald and Chronicle (NSW : 1864 - 1881) Wed 11 Jan 1871 Page 2
MONDAY, JANUARY 9.
Before Mr. J. W. Chisholm and Captain Rossi.
John Adam Hertel was charged with refusing to
pay to Jacob Deane the sum of £12, wages due as
his shepherd.
Complainant admitted having raceived £3 18s. 3d.,
and an order was made for payment of the balance.
The small debts court cases were then disposed of.