ADAMSON and BROWN and KIRK

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

James BROWN b. abt 1821 Scotland

Death 1900/C03619 Brown James - William Brown - Jean Kirk

Don't know if parent details are correct.

1851 census James age 30 is listed as nephew of Adam ADAMSON 51 born Scotland and spouse Isabella 44 born Scotland.

I can't find the marriage for Adam to Isabella and I can't find how James is a nephew.

I can only find this one 1815 - 1840 in Scotland:

Adam Adamson
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 15 Jan 1833 Annan, Dumfries
spouse: Ann Vivers

Even if Isabella is 2nd spouse there should be a marriage for Adam to Isabella.

I can't find a marriage in Scotland 1800 - 1830 for a William BROWN to a KIRK.


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Sep 1843
ADAMSON Ann Leigh 21 305


Marriages Dec 1846
Adamson Adam Blackburn 21 59
Dickson Isabella Blackburn 21 59

 

[DaveHam9]

James Brown
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 15 Sep 1816 , DURRISDEER, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: Durisdeer, Dumfries, Scotland
parents: William Brown, Jean Kirk

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: William Brown
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 28 Jun 1801
Event Place: Penninghame,Wigtown,Scotland
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
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Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11895-2
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1068040
Reference ID:


Getting rather curious. Spouse should be Jean KIRK.

Isabella DICKSON b. 1811 Penninghame, Wigtownshire - Peter DICKSON & Elizabeth McCRACKEN


So how is James Isabella's nephew?

 

[barbarajoh]

Dave, I have read somewhere (and now typically can't find it) that nephew does not always mean that in the early census. I have done a search but can only find this

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=562658.0

It is more like a relation who doesn't fit into an easy category like a distant relation or through marriage somewhere along the tree.

Barbara

 

[horse]

Name: William Brown
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 28 Jun 1801
Event Place: Penninghame,Wigtown,Scotland
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11895-2
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1068040
Reference ID:


Getting rather curious. Spouse should be Jean KIRK.

SP, marriages:

28/06/1801 BROWN WILLIAM NAME NOT GIVEN//FR307 (FR307) M PENNINGHAME /WIGTOWN

Curiouser and curiouser :2fun:

 

[horse]

There are 3 female Kirk marriages in 1801, none of them fit, name, place or spouse.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

Even allowing for a loose definition I can't make the connection yet.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Yes, I looked for female KIRK marriages also.

It is slowly falling into place I think with the Penninghame connection.

The usual errors in trees and bop as Ireland in census when it should be Scotland.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yes, I think the Ireland entry is an enumeration error, very little space other than to put a couple of letters, i.e. Y/N. 1841 was more or less the first of the main censuses and it was a bit primitive (though still invaluable)...

 

[DaveHam9]

No progress with Isabella's parents - Peter DICKSON & Elizabeth McCRACKEN


Also, it seems we have an older brother for James.

 

[horse]

Just been looking, thought it may throw up a sibling of Isabella to associate with James... Nothing doing yet.

 

[DaveHam9]

If John is a brother I can't find a baptism that fits.

I can't find when William died.


Page 233
1852 Marriages solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of St. Austell in the County of Cornwall
No 466 January 15th - James Brown Full Bachelor Merchant St. Austell William Brown Yeoman -
Caroline Marie Cleave Full Spinster - St. Austell Thomas Cleave Gardener
Married in the Parish Church by Licence By me F. Todd Vicar
Both signed
Witnesses: Thomas Cleave, Elizabeth Olva ?

 

[horse]

And these are the only 2 Peter Dickson's to an Elizabeth on SP:

1 14/09/1718 DICKSON PETER ELIZABETH MITCHEL/FR1903 (FR1903) M LINLITHGOW /WEST LOTHIAN 668/00 0050 0104
2 23/01/1808 DICKSON PETER ELIZABETH MARTIN/FR4667 (FR4667) M CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. Neither of those is the name in the tree for Elizabeth.

We might have to go way back to make the connection.

William ADAMSON's mother was a Janet DICKSON.

Adam's sister Annie Dickson b. 1809 - 1829.


Huge number of William BROWNs in Dumfries in 1841.

 

[horse]

Good grief your talking 1700 - in Scotland too :2fun:

 

[horse]

Adam's sister Annie Dickson b. 1809 - 1829.

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He had 6 siblings at least!

 

[horse]

Annie, she's the one who died in the US and Scotland in the same year :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Clever girl.

You will be pleased to know I can't get to 1600s in Scotland on any of my direct lines. :biggrin:


My attention now is William BROWN.

 

[horse]

There's one tree that has John Adamson b. 1704 = Janet Dickson b. 1700 no parents suggested for either... Not too surprised though.