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Adoptions in Liverpool
- Thread starter peter moore
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Hi Peter
A warm welcome to FHUK forums.
Firstly official adoption didn't begin until 1926. Before 1926 people informally adopted children, maybe a relative, close friend or step relative such as mothers new husband. I do think that sometimes they may have gone through a court or solicitor but these cases are rare I think.
What is the name you are researching?
Ben
A warm welcome to FHUK forums.
Firstly official adoption didn't begin until 1926. Before 1926 people informally adopted children, maybe a relative, close friend or step relative such as mothers new husband. I do think that sometimes they may have gone through a court or solicitor but these cases are rare I think.
What is the name you are researching?
Ben
Hi Peter
I found out about my grandparent's first child many, many years later, as in 10 years ago.
She was the illegitimate child of my grandparents. There was no birth reg.nor any adoption papers, but I did find out she was adopted by her elder brother and wife. They then went on to have 3 more children, but I still have not found their marriage.!!!! My mother never said a word about her. I was lucky that I managed to trace her daughter, and eventually I spoke to her for some time when she told me all the details. She was known to her brother and sisters, and left something in her mother's will.
Nainmaddie
I found out about my grandparent's first child many, many years later, as in 10 years ago.
She was the illegitimate child of my grandparents. There was no birth reg.nor any adoption papers, but I did find out she was adopted by her elder brother and wife. They then went on to have 3 more children, but I still have not found their marriage.!!!! My mother never said a word about her. I was lucky that I managed to trace her daughter, and eventually I spoke to her for some time when she told me all the details. She was known to her brother and sisters, and left something in her mother's will.
Nainmaddie
My God! You people are “quick off the mark” you may wish you hadn’t asked.
On the “findmypast” site the 1891 Census record for Dennis Moore(1) and his wife Ann both aged 32 lived at 24 Barmouth Street Liverpool with their 4 children Marcella(2), John(3), Kate and Ann their respective ages being 9, 7, 4 and 2, the whole family were born in Liverpool, these children are definitely my relatives.
On the FreeBMD site Marcella’s(2) birth is registered as Marcello, March 1883 @ 8b 451, on her birth certificate her father’s name is Dennis Moore(1) and her mother’s maiden name is Ann Kelly but I cannot find a marriage for a Dennis Moore and an Ann Kelly only Dennis Moore and Ann Hughes and I have been unable to find any births with the father Dennis (1) or mother Ann Kelly/Hughes for John, Kate or Ann.
In other censuses there were 3 Dennis Moore’s in Liverpool, 2 who by 1891 would be the same age, one born in Liverpool(1) whom I believe is my relation and one born in Ireland whose father is also Dennis not related.
In the 1861 Census Dennis(1) was 1year old, his brother John(2) was 3years old, his father and mother were John(1) & Mary(Marcella)(1).
In 1871 Marcella(1) has been transcribed as Marilla but is misspelt Macella, her husband is as in 1861 John(1) his son John(2) has either left home or died and Dennis(1) now has 2 sisters Mary & Margaret the children are 11, 7, & 5 respectively.
If you can shed any light on Dennis Moore and an Ann Kelly or Ann Hughes in relation to John, Kate or Ann I would be truly grateful but I think you must be a qualified forensic investigator to sort out my family as my father was another Dennis and my brother is another John and there is another Marcella born in the 1920’s.
Regards Peter
On the “findmypast” site the 1891 Census record for Dennis Moore(1) and his wife Ann both aged 32 lived at 24 Barmouth Street Liverpool with their 4 children Marcella(2), John(3), Kate and Ann their respective ages being 9, 7, 4 and 2, the whole family were born in Liverpool, these children are definitely my relatives.
On the FreeBMD site Marcella’s(2) birth is registered as Marcello, March 1883 @ 8b 451, on her birth certificate her father’s name is Dennis Moore(1) and her mother’s maiden name is Ann Kelly but I cannot find a marriage for a Dennis Moore and an Ann Kelly only Dennis Moore and Ann Hughes and I have been unable to find any births with the father Dennis (1) or mother Ann Kelly/Hughes for John, Kate or Ann.
In other censuses there were 3 Dennis Moore’s in Liverpool, 2 who by 1891 would be the same age, one born in Liverpool(1) whom I believe is my relation and one born in Ireland whose father is also Dennis not related.
In the 1861 Census Dennis(1) was 1year old, his brother John(2) was 3years old, his father and mother were John(1) & Mary(Marcella)(1).
In 1871 Marcella(1) has been transcribed as Marilla but is misspelt Macella, her husband is as in 1861 John(1) his son John(2) has either left home or died and Dennis(1) now has 2 sisters Mary & Margaret the children are 11, 7, & 5 respectively.
If you can shed any light on Dennis Moore and an Ann Kelly or Ann Hughes in relation to John, Kate or Ann I would be truly grateful but I think you must be a qualified forensic investigator to sort out my family as my father was another Dennis and my brother is another John and there is another Marcella born in the 1920’s.
Regards Peter
Hi Peter
Is this your Marcella and child in 1911?
PITT, Frederick Head Married M 40 1871 Gardener Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, Minnie Wife Married F 47 1864 Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, Charles Son M 13 1898 Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, William Son M 11 1900 Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, Edith Daughter F 9 1902 Ashton U Lyne Lancs
PITT, Harold Son M 5 1906 Seacombe Cheshire
MOORE, Marcella Lodger Single F 28 1883 General Servant Domestic Liverpool Lancs
MOORE, William Lodger Son M 3 1908 Birkenhead Cheshire
living 4 Lancaster Ave, Liscard, Cheshire
dave
Is this your Marcella and child in 1911?
PITT, Frederick Head Married M 40 1871 Gardener Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, Minnie Wife Married F 47 1864 Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, Charles Son M 13 1898 Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, William Son M 11 1900 Warwickshire Birmingham
PITT, Edith Daughter F 9 1902 Ashton U Lyne Lancs
PITT, Harold Son M 5 1906 Seacombe Cheshire
MOORE, Marcella Lodger Single F 28 1883 General Servant Domestic Liverpool Lancs
MOORE, William Lodger Son M 3 1908 Birkenhead Cheshire
living 4 Lancaster Ave, Liscard, Cheshire
dave
Hi Dave,
Yes, this is Marcella(2) I have not managed to find a marriage or death on her but I know that her son William was visited by my father about 1966 prior to the family emigrating to Australia, I think his name is William Pomfret Moore Reg Sep 1907 8a 559. He was some sort of cleric in Chester Cathedral at the time and I understand this was a family member my father didn't even know existed until we were leaving England. I only found out that I had relatives that I'd never met until in Australia due to the Catholic - Protestant thing. I have emailed Chester Cathedral several weeks ago to see if they have details on William but to date no reply.
Anyway Dave I appreciate your time, thankyou Peter.
Yes, this is Marcella(2) I have not managed to find a marriage or death on her but I know that her son William was visited by my father about 1966 prior to the family emigrating to Australia, I think his name is William Pomfret Moore Reg Sep 1907 8a 559. He was some sort of cleric in Chester Cathedral at the time and I understand this was a family member my father didn't even know existed until we were leaving England. I only found out that I had relatives that I'd never met until in Australia due to the Catholic - Protestant thing. I have emailed Chester Cathedral several weeks ago to see if they have details on William but to date no reply.
Anyway Dave I appreciate your time, thankyou Peter.
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Hi Julie,
I forgot that I didn't have an 1881 census on Dennis until you mentioned it the reason that I'd dismissed it was that he was a Marine Fireman and was probably at sea. A Marine Fireman was one of the worst jobs in the civilized world at the time which is probably why the men in my family died young in that era.
I appreciate your time Julie
Thanks Peter
I forgot that I didn't have an 1881 census on Dennis until you mentioned it the reason that I'd dismissed it was that he was a Marine Fireman and was probably at sea. A Marine Fireman was one of the worst jobs in the civilized world at the time which is probably why the men in my family died young in that era.
I appreciate your time Julie
Thanks Peter
