Albert Edward MILES

[Albert Edward MILES 1905]

Hello
I am new to Family History research. What I know of how to go about it fits on the head of a match, so I am navigating my way around pretty much feebly. I have a detectives mind for piecing things together, so that may be of some help. I am in Australia 2nd Generation of English ;Miles Irish; Partlon, Murphy, ?Greenwood.



So far I have found that his Father my PGGF had the same initials as my PGF.

Albert E MILES Born ? d 1912 Barrow
He Married Eve/Eva MILES (nee Frost) in 1897 b? d 1915 Barrow

They had 5 children

James MILES b 1898 d 1898 Barrow in Furness, Lancashire

Elsie MILES b 1899 Barrow, family believe she died enroute to Australia in New York Harbour? While emigrating with her brothers, and cousins

Albert Edward MILES b 1905 Barrow d 1984 Perth, Aust. He was my PGF he emigrated to Sydney Australia in abt 1924, he was brought to Australia by a relative Samuel Cooper, Engineer from Lancahire, and his wife Marie Cooper.

Frank MILES b 1907 Barrow Emigrated to Australia poss 1926. D 1966 Perth Aust.

Tom King MILES b 1912 d 1913 Barrow.

I'm not sure if the names of the family farms Albert and Frank created in Australia are of any clue? Clevellys and Southend.

I'm not sure how to find addresses, or any further information, all suggestions welcomed. I look forward to interacting on this site.

Happy New Year for 2012.
Cheers

 

[p.risboy]

Re: First post

Hi Angela, and welcome to FHUK.

Not sure how many questions there are in your first posting.:2fun:

But hopefully you can split them down, and ask away in the most appropriate forum.

I'm sure we can help you along your way. Helpful bunch of folk here.

Good luck with your research.


Steve.

 

[barbarajoh]

Re: First post

Warmest welcome Angela.

Both Steve and I have done a look up in the census for you which you will find on the forums under the census look up.

See HERE and HERE

You will soon be hooked!

Barbara

 

[leefer]

Re: First post

Welcome Angela,when i saw 1905 i thought we had someone on who was 107

All the best with your research....Lee.

 

[Albert Edward MILES 1905]

Thanks

Thanks for the warm welcome. Thankyou also Barbara and Dave for the lookup. And Lee haha... I only feel that old on rare occasions, that was my PGF. Hello all, yep hooked already

 

[gibbo]

Hi Angela,

Dont know if any of this is of any interest but posting it anyway just in case.
There are some Mile"s in the National Archvies Australia site which appear might be yours along the line somewhere.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/


Also found this which might be of some interest if you havent seen it yet.

Name MILES, FRANK
Service Australian Army
Service Number W20505
Date of Birth 19 Nov 1907
Place of Birth BARROW-IN-FURNESS, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Date of Enlistment 7 Apr 1942
Locality on Enlistment COOROW, WA
Place of Enlistment CLAREMONT, WA
Next of Kin MILES, ALBERT
Date of Discharge 14 Jan 1944
Rank Signalman
Posting at Discharge 9 LINE SECT
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/

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[DaveHam9]

Found one marriage but so far can't find the other:

Marriages Dec 1897
FROST Eva - Barrow in Furness 8e 1328
Miles Albert - Barrow F. 8e 1328

That means registered in Oct-Nov-Dec Volume 8e page 1328

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Dec 1899
Miles Elsie Barrow F. 8e 784

Births Jun 1905
Miles Albert Edward Barrow F. 8e 785

Births Dec 1907
MILES Frank Barrow F. 8e 759

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Mar 1874
FROST Eva - Ulverston 8e 786
Frost Eve - Ulverston 8e 786


That is curious - the 1911 census says born 1869 in Barrow in Furness and up to 1 July 1876 that would be Ulverston Registration District. I can't find the birth reg for Albert. Age at death says 1870.

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Deaths Mar 1912
Miles Albert 42 Barrow F. 8e 1197

Deaths Mar 1915
Miles Eva 40 Barrow F. 8e 1296

 

[DaveHam9]

James jnr is 15 in 1861 and mother is Eliza so marriage to an Eliza should be about 1846 and Dudley would fit but it's Mary. Not this one unless 1861 census is wrong with mother as Eliza OR it's a 2nd marriage for James in 1857.

Marriages Dec 1847
MILES James Dudley 18 384
Round Eliza Dudley 18 384
Trowman James Dudley 18 384
WESTWOOD Mary Dudley 18 384

groom's name: James Trowman
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Eliza Round
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 17 Oct 1847
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 378777
reference number:



groom's name: James Miles
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Mary Westwood
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 11 Oct 1847
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 378777
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

groom's name: James Miles
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Eliza Coley Or Cartwright
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 16 Nov 1857
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 378785
reference number:


Deaths Dec 1856
MILES Mary - Dudley 6c 61

Marriages Dec 1857
Coley Eliza - Dudley 6c 112
Miles James - Dudley 6c 112

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible:

name: James Miles
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Apr 1822
baptism/christening place: Dudley, Worcester, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Edwd. Miles
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Sarah Miles
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C00984-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 350496
reference number: yr 1822 p 196

 

[gibbo]

Totally off track here but cant help myself and got to post this. Dont know if you have already seen this or not Angela. Even has what clubs Albert and Frank were members off Kitchen tea parties and weddings etc Interesting to find out more about them even if it is of no help with going back in generations.

"Bert" Albert Edward MILES
Born 1905 in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire, England [21]
Son of A. C. MILES [5: 20-Aug-1937]
Farmhand in Waddy Forest, Western Australia 1929-1970 [19]
Farmhand for Donnell E. FOWLER on Glen Waddi Farm in Waddy Forest in 1934 [P120]
Member of the Coorow Golf Club in 1935 and 1936, and Committee Member in 1937 [5: 2-Aug-1935, 12-Jun-1936, 16-Apr-1937]
Member of the Waddy Forest Tennis Club in 1935-36 and 1936-37 [5: 25-Oct-1935, 6-Nov-1936]
Attended the Coorow Golf Club's Opening Day for the 1936 season in Coorow on Sunday 17 May 1936 [5: 22-May-1936]
He was among those from Waddy Forest who travelled to Perth for the Perth Royal Show in October 1936 [5: 16-Oct-1936]
Attended Roy M. PATTON's birthday at the dam on Longforest Farm in Waddy Forest on Sunday 8 November 1936 [5: 13-Nov-1936]
Runner-Up of the Men's 18 Hole Handicap at the Carnamah Golf Club's Season Opening in Carnamah on 2 May 1937 [5: 7-May-1937]
Himself and his wife-to-be were tendered a Kitchen Tea Evening at the Waddy Forest Hall on Saturday 31 July 1937 [5: 6-Aug-1937]
The evening included dancing, presentations, the singing of "For They are Jolly Good Fellows" and concluded with supper [5]
They received a collection of kitchen utensils from the residents of Waddy and a rose bowl from the Waddy Forest Tennis Club [5]
Married Mary Esther GREENWOOD on Wednesday 18 August 1937 at Saint Andrew's Roman Catholic Church in Carnamah [5]
His best man was Mary's brother Harry C. GREENWOOD and his groomsman was his brother Frank MILES [5: 20-Aug-1937]
After the ceremony their wedding breakfast was at the Coorow Hotel followed by a reception at the Coorow Hall [5]
At their reception "all the residents of the Coorow-Waddy districts were entertained at any enjoyable evening's dancing" [5]
Following their honeymoon himself and his wife arrived back in Waddy Forest on Saturday 28 August 1937 [5: 3-Sep-1937]
On retirement himself and his wife shifted from Waddy to a house at 13 Coatelean Drive in the Perth suburb of Osborne Park [P141]
Father of Kenneth and Lynette [P186]
Died 25 April 1984; ashes interred Pinnaroo Valley Memorial Park, Perth WA (Acacia Court, Plot 2629) [2]


Frank MILES
Born 19 November 1907 in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire, England [16]
Son of A. C. MILES [5: 20-Aug-1937]
Farmer in Waddy Forest, Western Australia [19]
His farm was initially 1312 acres in size, consisting of Victoria Locations 8671 and 8672 [3]
During the 1930s extended his farm to a total of 1475 acres with the purchase of Victoria Location 9639 [3]
Delivered the first load of wheat in Coorow for the 1933 season on Wednesday 8 November 1933 [5: 10-Nov-1933]
Member of the Coorow Golf Club 1935-1937 [5: 30-Aug-1935, 12-Jun-1936, 23-Jul-1937]
"Miles Bros & Briand" sold 90 suckers on 8 October 1935 - 35 at 14/10, 25 at 15/4, and 29 at 15/7 per head [5: 11-Oct-1935]
"Miles Bros & Briand" sold one bale of wool at 15½d. per pound through Elder Smith & Co Ltd on 25 November 1935 [5: 29-Nov-1935]
Attended the Coorow Golf Club's Opening Day for the 1936 season in Coorow on Sunday 17 May 1936 [5: 22-May-1936]
"Miles Bros & Briand" sold 64 suckers on 23 September 1936 - 33 at 20/7 and 31 suckers at 16/10 per head [5: 25-Sep-1936]
"Miles Bros & Briand" purchased a new Dodge truck in early November 1936 [5: 6-Nov-1936]
"Miles Bros & Briand" sold 45 lambs through Elder Smith & Co Ltd on 4 November 1936 - 27 at 13/7 and 18 at 10/4 [5: 6-Nov-1936]
In November 1936 "Miles Bros" fitted their Twin City tractor with Barnett Glass pneumatic tyres [5: 4-Dec-1936]
The pneumatic tyres were purchased through the agency of Mrs Eva V. CASEY of Coorow [5: 4-Dec-1936]
Groomsman at the wedding of his brother Albert E. MILES and Mary E. GREENWOOD in Carnamah on 18 August 1937 [5: 20-Aug-1937]
Enlisted in the Australian Army on 7 April 1942 and was discharged on 14 January 1944 [16]
He was among those from Waddy Forest who travelled to Perth for the Perth Royal Show in October 1936 [5: 16-Oct-1936]
Signalman 20505 in the Australian Army's 9 Line Section during the Second World War [16]
Later resided in the Perth suburb of Mount Lawley [2]
Died 19 August 1966; ashes interred Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth WA (Crematorium Rose Gardens, 8C, 2)


http://www.carnamah.com.au/cw9.html

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[DaveHam9]

Good find Gibbo.

I can't see what brand of toothbrush he uses. :2fun:

 

[gibbo]

Good find Gibbo.

I can't see what brand of toothbrush he uses. :2fun:

No but he had a better social life than i have :2fun::2fun:

 

[gibbo]

Have you got this info Angela? Who appears to be Albert on a passenger list. I dont have access to get further info tho.

MILES Albert Edward
Birth year 1906
*** M
Departure year 1924
Departure port London
Destination Australia Sydney

 

[Albert Edward MILES 1905]

Oh wow, you guys are amazing! I cannot believe the effort you have made to find this information.
I had found the Coorow Waddy database as that is where I grew up in the 70's, on one of those farms!

It was an amazing life.
It was actually looking at that Database, side by side with my Dad, now 72 on the day after Boxing Day, that fuelled my motivation to look up our family.

The one we have lost that has been mentioned is Elsie. She apparently came to Australia, but Grannie, AE Miles 1905 wife told me in 1990 after Grandad had died that he had a sister that drowned or died on the way to Australia she fell off the boat or was drowned. But I can find no record of Elsie's death.
Gt Uncle Frank apparently also spoke of her but Albert never did.

I have also intersected information about the Greenwood side of the family too, from that database, which when I get some more time, I will look up too.

THe bit that amazes me most, is that in the last 5 generations only 1 has missed naming a son with the name "Albert". Despite me even knowing the lineage, 4yo sons middle name by fluke carries this tradition, was with deference to his PGF and his GPGF.

I thank each and every one of you this is amazing.

I need to get a piece of paper big enough to put this family tree on, to help me make sense of it.

I am so in awe of you all thank you so much.

Angela

 

[davelambert271]

Have you got this info Angela? Who appears to be Albert on a passenger list. I dont have access to get further info tho.

MILES Albert Edward
Birth year 1906
*** M
Departure year 1924
Departure port London
Destination Australia Sydney

Hi
I see on the record the dep date was 11 march. It looks as if Albert was an assistant Engineer, travelling with Sam Cooper 37 Engineer, his wife Maria Cooper 34 and children Alfred 12, Muriel 4. as Albert's last address was a ditto of Sams. They last lived at Hydro Garage, Cleveleys, Blackpool

 

[gibbo]

Angela do you know what ship Elsie was on?

If you can find out what ship and obtain a copy of the passenger list they usually state if a particular passenger died during the trip.

 

[Albert Edward MILES 1905]

Hello again
Thanks Gibbo Dave x 2 and Barb

I had discovered Albert Edward Miles whose DOB changes between 1905 /6/7 in different records. AEMiles Departure from London to Sydney 1924, my Dad seems to think it was the same ship. But i think I have found his brother Frank Miles 1907 came out in 1926. Sam Cooper was apparently a relative, as the Miles' Elsie, Albert and Frank were orphaned by 1915.

It also fits where they lived at Cleveleys, because AE Miles 1905 named his farm "Cleveleys" at Waddy Forest, in Western Australia.

On an aside on looking up Australian Archives there was a lad Albert Edward Miles Regimental Number 1966, (his Reg No, Ironically same year I was born).

He also was born Barrow, Lancs, C of E.
He named his Father as Fred Miles at Kembla Heights, Wollongong, New South Wales on Enlistment papers.

His enlisted age was 18 and 8 months in 1915, I would find it difficult to believe my PGF AE MILES 1905 at ten years old to pass himself off as an 18yo.

The Enlisted man's place of employment had been 2 years at the Barrow Haematite Steel Coy. His occupation was Wheeler (of barrows?).

He was Medically discharged from active service in 1918 without disability.

Perhaps there are two AE Miles of similar age.
This I thought it was probably Albert (Hiles) Miles B abt 1869
son of Eliza and James HILES/ MILES B abt 1823.
But that would make him 46 on enlisting,
so I am speculating there is an Albert Edward Miles, son of Frederick sibling of AEMiles Snr GPGF on reflection.

Hmmm back to the start.

Every find creates more questions, it's great.

I'm not sure where the Humphries bit came in though, its all wonderment, exciting and new to me so anything is possible.

Thankyou all who are helping it's fantastic, thanks