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I am looking for help with this family and because the name is fairly poplular have have hit a brickwall. I have a marriage certificate dated 1923 the groom is Albert Edward Thomas he is age 18, a Porter & Packer, Residence at time of marriage was 71 Oakley St. His father was Albert Edward Thomas and his occupation was Shoeblack (a person who cleans shoes I believe). I have looked and cannot come up with any way of going backwards with both Alberts. I have Albert E Thomas in 1939 Register 71 Baylis Rd, S. E. 1 and his birth date is 15 Apr 1905. (This is definately my Albert) I have not been able to find the birth index which could have helped. I don't know if this family always lived in London either. There is one other clue on the Marriage certificate a witness M F Thomas. Hoping someone on this forum could have a look and see what they can come up with. There are other Albert Thomas's in the 1939 Register that may help but I don't have a full subscription to FMP to look at them. I thank you in advance!
 

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Looking on the GRO online index there is a birth in the 2nd qtr 1905 of an
Albert Edward THOMAS in Devonport Reg Dist mother maiden name ROBERTS.
In 1911 he may be the one with family in Devonport - father Samuel Richard ; mother Emma.

I cannot replicate your search result for 1939 Register 71 Baylis Rd and Albert E Thomas b 15 Apr 1905.... could you check this please?
 
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It's no wonder you can't find birth reference as you are looking for the wrong birth date. According to the 1939 Register his birth date is 15 December 1905 which means it could have been registered in the 1st Quarter of 1906 (as well as the last Quarter of 1905)

I have found 6 Albert Edward Thomas' 3 registered Dec 1905

Bristol 6a 148 mmn Reed
Newport Monmouthshire 11a 232 mmn Cram
Merthyr Tydfil 11a 677 mmn Hughes

3 registered Mar 1906

Brecknock 11b 78 mmn Arthur
St Geo Hanover Squ. 1a 466 mmn Coleman
Pembroke 11a 1363 mmn Waters

I have looked for a marriage of Albert to women with those surnames and the only one I can find is
Albert Edward Thomas/ Mary Ellen Hughes Mar 1904 Neath 11a 1059.

However I cannot find an Albert Thomas anywhere in the 1911 Census with wife Mary and son Albert Edward born 1905/6 and certainly not one with the occupation you give.

There are 5,005 men called Albert Thomas in the 1939 Register. Likewise 880 called Albert Edward and 986 called Albert E. I really don't think you have much chance of finding him.

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1939 Register
71 Bayles Rd,
1 Albert E Thomas 15.4.05 Covent Garden Porter
2 Rosina Thomas 13.4.04 Unpaid domestic duties
3 Albert G Thomas 27.4.24 Press hand printing
4 & 5 closed
6 Dorothy I Thomas 12.10.36 under school age

The above address is in Lambeth London S E 1

The above Albert Edward Thomas married Rosina Mills in Lambeth.
I was hoping that someone could find his father Albert Edward living in Lambeth in the 1939 Register and hopefully with his wife. Then I could try and track down the 1911 census.
 

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On the assumption M F Thomas was female and born between 1897 and 1905 I checked births in those 6 RDs with the matching mother's name and no match for an M F. The middle name might not be on birth reg index.

Thomas is such a common name and middle names are not always used in the birth and death reg so there are many others born around 1905 with just Albert.

In what RD was the 1923 marriage and to whom?

Re the 1939 Register is it 15 April or 15 Dec? There are errors in the transcriptions.

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The RD is Lambeth
I am looking for Albert E or Albert Edward or just Albert in 1939 Registration birth date probably 1880s in Lambeth District.

I don't know who Albert Edward born about 1880s married or where he married but if I can find him living near his son in Lambeth it would give me something to start with. THe birth date for his son was given to me by another member.
 

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For anyone who isn't sure, this is the marriage:

Name: Albert E Thomas
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Registration district: Lambeth
Spouse: Rosina H E Mills
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 528

Amanda
 

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Marriages Jun Qtr 1897 - Birmingham 6d 32
Massingham Mary Frances
Thomas Albert Edward

Coincidence M F Thomas ?

But no birth reg for an Albert with mmn Massingham

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Looking at an Albert Thomas born Dec Q 1905 no middle name - 2x - CRIPPS and CLAMP but no marriage found for an Albert to either of those.

No others to check. Nothing is fitting.

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For anyone who isn't sure, this is the marriage:

Name: Albert E Thomas
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Registration district: Lambeth
Spouse: Rosina H E Mills
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 528

Amanda
That is definately the right record but I already have that marriage.
I am looking for his Birth Registration. Would it be common for the registration to be quite a while after the birth or is the date of birth in the 1939 Registration incorrect?
THOMAS, ALBERT POTTER GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 276 T
This is the only record between 1905 & 1906 in Lambeth that could be the correct one if the year of birth is correct in the 1939 Register He was 18 when he married in 1923 so that works out at 1905 as well.

One more question, if I order the Birth Certificate what information will be on it? Thank you in advance.
 
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It's no wonder you can't find birth reference as you are looking for the wrong birth date. According to the 1939 Register his birth date is 15 December 1905 which means it could have been registered in the 1st Quarter of 1906 (as well as the last Quarter of 1905)

I have found 6 Albert Edward Thomas' 3 registered Dec 1905

Bristol 6a 148 mmn Reed
Newport Monmouthshire 11a 232 mmn Cram
Merthyr Tydfil 11a 677 mmn Hughes

3 registered Mar 1906

Brecknock 11b 78 mmn Arthur
St Geo Hanover Squ. 1a 466 mmn Coleman
Pembroke 11a 1363 mmn Waters

I have looked for a marriage of Albert to women with those surnames and the only one I can find is
Albert Edward Thomas/ Mary Ellen Hughes Mar 1904 Neath 11a 1059.

However I cannot find an Albert Thomas anywhere in the 1911 Census with wife Mary and son Albert Edward born 1905/6 and certainly not one with the occupation you give.

There are 5,005 men called Albert Thomas in the 1939 Register. Likewise 880 called Albert Edward and 986 called Albert E. I really don't think you have much chance of finding him.

Emeltee
I just reread the posts So sorry I didn't realize that you looked in the 1939 Register so it was an error when the person posted the information. I really need to go to Specsavers!
 
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I am keeping an open mind about where he was born but in the years I have been doing research I find it is better to stay close to the area then expand my research. I have an idea he was probably born outside of London and I keep leaning towards Wales but it is proving it! Of course everything is based on the date of Birth in the 1939 Register and the Marriage certificate age.

Could someone have a look at the following records in the 1939 Register please?

Albert E W Thomas 1883 Lambeth London


Alfred E Thomas 1885 Lambeth London
 

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The 1939 Register has transcription errors just like the census.

THOMAS, ALBERT POTTER GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 276 T - mother's maiden name Potter

I can find no marriage for an Albert Thomas to a Potter.

There are too many named Albert Thomas. It would help if we knew the correct one in 1939.

Dave
 

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