Albert Frederick G WICKENS b. 1874 Greenwich - father ? & mother Elizabeth

[DaveHam9]

Albert Frederick G WICKENS b. 1874 Greenwich d. after 1936 where ?

Births Dec 1874
WICKENS Albert Frederick G Greenwich 1d 894

1871
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Nicholas Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie WICKENS 18
Elizabeth WICKENS 28
Emma WICKENS 3
John WICKENS 5
Rosina WICKENS 1

1881
Dwelling: 47 Henry St North Side
Census Place: Deptford St Paul, Kent, England
Marr Age *** Birthplace
Elizabeth WICKENS M 41 F Bristol, Somerset, England
Rel: Wife (Head)
John WICKENS 15 M Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Son Occ: Watchmaker (Appce)
Emma WICKENS 13 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Rosina WICKENS 11 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry WICKENS 9 M Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Albert WICKENS 6 M Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Florence WICKENS 2 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur

The name appears in records as WICKENS and WICKINGS. From IGI his father's name is John William and his mother's Elizabeth Jane ?

Probable:
Marriages Sep 1864
Vickers Elizabeth Jane Rotherhithe 1d 947
Wickens John William Rotherhithe 1d 947

John Francis Robert c. 10 Sep 1865 St Paul, Deptford, Kent

I wonder why John William is not in the census and I wonder when and where he died.

AUSTRALIAN Electoral Rolls - 1901-1936

Name: Albert George WICKENS
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936
State: New South Wales
District: Reid
Subdistrict: Bankstown North
Albert George WICKENS, Stacey St, BANKSTOWN Engineer
Elizabeth Maude WICKENS, Stacey St, BANKSTOWN Home duties

So Albert died after 1936 but I can't find a death record.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Alberts proving to be elusive.

Found this death registered in 1892

Albert Wickings
Born abt 1873
District Wandsworth
County Greater London, Surrey
Apr/May/June 1/4

I wonder is this Frederick Albert J Wickens has anything to do with yours.
Birth registration 1910
District Medway, County Kent,
Jan/Feb/Mar 1/4

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for looking. Albert Frederick George died in 1936 or later because he apears in the Electoral Roll for 1936. I suspect he went back to England.

I can't find anything apart from that marriage for his father John William.

Yes, with names like Albert Frederick George and Albert Joseph George I would say Frederick Albert J would fit in somewhere.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Dave,

I'll have another look later on. Will widen the search he could have lived to a great old age.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks.

I think I have the correct marriage so I looked for an Elizabeth Jane VICKERS b. abt 1835-1840 and can't find a match. The 1881 census says she was born in Bristol, Somerset which does not add up to me. Please see if your version of the 1871 census says where she was born and also the relationship of Annie WICKENS. She was born before that 1864 marriage so I wonder if she is a sister of John William. He remains a mystery. Please see if you can find him in 1861 and 1851. Thanks.

I have found this death but it may not be the right one:

Deaths Mar 1895
Wickens Elizabeth Jane 60 Portsea 2b 422

The age in census indicate a birth date closer to 1840 (and so would the marriage date).


Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

In 1861 Elizabeth gives her POB Bristol born abt 1842, she is a house servant to a family called Clendon in Deptford. In 1871 Elizabeths POB Bristol born abt 1843, Annies relationship is down as sister.

 

[juliejtp]

Dave, as possibilty for John in 1861.

Civil parish Deptford St Paul
RD Greenwich
Sub RD St. Paul Deptford

Emma Wickins head age 45 widow born Deptford Kent
John Willm son age 16 born Blackwall
Caroline dau age 7 born Deptford

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for those look ups.

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

I havn't come across a Albert Wickens born abt 1874 returning to England 1936 and after (using soundtex as well) on the incoming passenger list. So did he return?

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for looking. I had no evidence and the failure to find him casts doubt on that theory. I've been searching all the on-line cemetery sites in Australia except for one, Interment.net which has been off line for over a week, and have not found a burial yet.

As a general question, is there any way to find deaths in England after 1936? That's about the last date I've seen in FreeBMD.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Not had any luck tracing Elizabeth Jane Vickers birth. Her birth could have been missed off the GRO index or her mother remarried and she took her stepfathers name, though only a suggestion. Are you going to get the marriage certificate? Your lot are giving you the run around.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for looking. Yes, I know, they are hard to trace and scattered everywhere in England, Scotland and Ireland. I have a lot more work to do on my tree before I can finally decide what certificates to get.

Regards,

Dave

 

[Ruby]

Albert Frederick G WICKENS b. 1874 Greenwich d. after 1936 where ?

Births Dec 1874
WICKENS Albert Frederick G Greenwich 1d 894

1871
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Nicholas Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie WICKENS 18
Elizabeth WICKENS 28
Emma WICKENS 3
John WICKENS 5
Rosina WICKENS 1

1881
Dwelling: 47 Henry St North Side
Census Place: Deptford St Paul, Kent, England
Marr Age *** Birthplace
Elizabeth WICKENS M 41 F Bristol, Somerset, England
Rel: Wife (Head)
John WICKENS 15 M Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Son Occ: Watchmaker (Appce)
Emma WICKENS 13 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Rosina WICKENS 11 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry WICKENS 9 M Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Albert WICKENS 6 M Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Florence WICKENS 2 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur

The name appears in records as WICKENS and WICKINGS. From IGI his father's name is John William and his mother's Elizabeth Jane ?

Probable:
Marriages Sep 1864
Vickers Elizabeth Jane Rotherhithe 1d 947
Wickens John William Rotherhithe 1d 947

John Francis Robert c. 10 Sep 1865 St Paul, Deptford, Kent

I wonder why John William is not in the census and I wonder when and where he died.

AUSTRALIAN Electoral Rolls - 1901-1936

Name: Albert George WICKENS
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936
State: New South Wales
District: Reid
Subdistrict: Bankstown North
Albert George WICKENS, Stacey St, BANKSTOWN Engineer
Elizabeth Maude WICKENS, Stacey St, BANKSTOWN Home duties

So Albert died after 1936 but I can't find a death record.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dave

I have information about this family. I believe Albert died in Australia and left relatives behind him. I can probably find out date of death and other information.

There was a son Edward James Wickens born 1873. There was also a son Wilfrid Joseph Wickens born 1876 born between Albert Frederick George and Florance Mary Wickens. There was also another daughter following Florance Wickens. Maud Louise Wickens born 1881. Relatives of Maud also live in Australia.

Are there any relatives of the Wickens family posting on the thread. I would like to converse privately, if that is allowed, about this family. I am a newbie and not sure what the rules are.

 

[Ruby]

I wonder why John William is not in the census and I wonder when and where he died.

John William Wickens was probably not on the Census that year because he was a merchant seaman and was probably at sea at the time.

 

[Matthew37]

Are there any relatives of the Wickens family posting on the thread. I would like to converse privately, if that is allowed, about this family. I am a newbie and not sure what the rules are.[/QUOTE]

Ruby,

I am new too but that is my family

Matthew

 

[davelambert271]

Are there any relatives of the Wickens family posting on the thread. I would like to converse privately, if that is allowed, about this family. I am a newbie and not sure what the rules are.

Hi Matthew as I suggested on your other post. You both have made more than 3 posts so you can send and receive Private Messages. Just click on Rubys name and a box appears with several options. Click on send Ruby a PM and off you go. You can safely give delicate info this way as only you two will see what is posted. As I said Ruby has not posted on this thread since 2009.
Best of luck
dave

 

[Danielle Taylor]

Albert Fredrick George Wickens. Died in Milne bay in 1943 in WWII he was in the merchant navy

 

[DaveHam9]

Details on US Army Small Ships Section of the US Army Services of Supply (USASOS) in the Southwest Pacific Area (SWPA) during WWII - HERE