Alice Louisa Clarke b. 1866

[Charlie Elliott]

Alice (Louisa) Clarke is my great-great grandmother, who later became Alice Elliott. She got married in 1891 to Thomas Elliott in Cardiff.

The information I have on her is that she was born in 1866, in Lambeth, London and that she has a sister slightly older than her by a few years, who's called Emily Selina Clarke, later Hall. However, I believe Emily to have been born in 1962 +/- 2 years, and she was born In Shenley, Bucks. By 1891, Alice is living in Cardiff, but I have no clue to her whereabouts in the 1871/1881 Census.

Her sister Emily also got married in Cardiff in 1891, march quarter, but my next record of her, in the 1901 census her and William Hall (husband), are living in Beighton, Darbyshire.

Any information on Alice/Emily Clarke's family would be great.
I'm 16, and just getting into genealogy, and due to my age, when someone tells me to order a marriage cert, it's impossible for me right now.

Charlie Elliott

 

[susanwillis59]

there are 5 alice clarks listed for birth in lambeth 1865/6 but only 1 alice louisa b.dec1865 lambeth london so could be yours, dont suppose you have any idea who her parents were, that wouls narrow it down a bit added her sister in the search on axxxxxxxry ,but nothing that looks right. suex

 

[oznannie]

Hi Charlie welcome
I'd just like to congratulate you for researching your family tree at the young age of 16!
I wish you all the best, you've come to the right place!
Warmest wishes from downunder.
oznannie

 

[Charlie Elliott]

Sorry Susan, you know all that I know. I don't know whether you're getting stuck due to the fact that Emily and Alice were born in completely different places, but right now, that's all I can offer you, sorry.

Charlie.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
1871 England Census
about Alice Clarke
Name: Alice Clarke
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
John Clarke 33 Northamps, Iron works labour
Emma Clarke 33 Bucks
Selina Clarke 9 Bucks
Clara Clarke 7 Bucks
Alice Clarke 5 Lambeth
Arthur Clarke 3 Lambeth
Beatrice Clarke 1

dave

 

[oznannie]

Me again Charlie
There is an Alice Louisa Clarke in 1881 Wales Census
her mother is EMILY..
Alice born Middlesex.
You will be able to view this for free at the Mormons site
www.familysearch.org

Did they have a double wedding in Cardiff?

oznannie

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
1881 Wales Census
about Alice Louisa Clarke
Name: Alice Louisa Clarke
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Female
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 10 Diamond St
Occupation: At Home

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household Members: Name Age
John Clarke 42 Devon Engine driver
Emily Clarke 42 Bucks
Alice Louisa Clarke 15 London
Arthur John Clarke 13 London
Edith Gert. Clarke 7 Crewe
Bertha Clarke 5 Crewe
Maud B. Clarke 2 Crewe
Ernest E. Clarke 1 Cardiff
Peter Cullon 57
David Rosier 42

You will notice a few discrepancies

dave

 

[Charlie Elliott]

Right, now I'm slightly confused.

Dave has listed one "Selina Clarke", does this mean she dropped a name for the census right, and went by her middle name? William Hall is definitely listed as marrying Emily Selina Clarke, who is born around 1962, just like the Selina Clarke in the 1871 census.

By the way, for anyone's who cares, this is the 1911 census for Alice Elliott.

ELLIOTT, Thomas Head Married M 46 1865 Railway Loco Driver Glamorgan Swansea VIEW
ELLIOTT, Alice Wife Married20 years F 45 1866 London Lambeth VIEW
ELLIOTT, Eveline Daughter Single F 19 1892 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
ELLIOTT, Samuel Son Single M 18 1893 Tramway Car Cleaner Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
ELLIOTT, Maud Daughter Single F 15 1896 Tailoress Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
ELLIOTT, Amelia Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
ELLIOTT, Alice Daughter Single F 11 1900 School Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
ELLIOTT, Arthur Son Single M 9 1902 School Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
ELLIOTT, Beatrice Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Glamorgan Cardiff

Quite a few name cross-overs between Alice's siblings and her children.

Thanks everyone.

 

[Charlie Elliott]

Haha, this is great! My great-great grandad Thomas Elliott was living with Alice Elliott by 1891, at 18/19 Diamond street! They moved 8/9 places down the street for their new home once wed, brilliant.

Both John Clarke and Thomas Elliott are in the railway business, also... and if Dave's theory on Thomas's parents are right, Thomas's father was in the railway business too.

(Just noticed, some poor kid had the name Clara Clarke )

Charlie,

 

[Charlie Elliott]

Is it possible to find (Emily) Selina and Clara Clarke's whereabouts on the night of the 1881 census?

 

[oznannie]

Emma 1901

Hi Charlie
I'm sure you have Emma in 1901 in Derbyshire with Wm, dghtr Dorothy G 9.
Interesting they have a niece listed 5yrs old born Glam
Maud Elliot
worth keeping to one side.

oznannie

 

[Charlie Elliott]

Oznannie, Maud Elliott is Thomas and Alice Elliott's daughter , she must have been staying at her Aunt's on the day of the 1901 Census.

And oz, I'm not sure about it being a double wedding, but it's very much a possibility which I'd like to look into.

EDIT: I know of Emily/Selina's whereabouts in 1891, it's in 1881 that I'm mainly interested in.

Charlie,