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Alice SADLER

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Births Dec 1861 SADLER Alice Augusta Marylebone 1a 379

SADLER, CHARLOTTE AUGUSTA - EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 379

Alice Augusta Sadler Bap 16 Mar 1862 John Robert Sadler, Jane Eliza St Marylebone Westminster
 

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A question that can't be answered. How does GRO get Charlotte?

Births Sep 1863 SADLER Emma Clara Marylebone 1a 398 ms EDWARDS
Births Sep 1865 SADLER John Robert Marylebone 1a 401 ms EDWARDS

Births Mar 1880 SADLER Beatrice Henrietta Bethnal Green 1c 203 ms LOVE

John Robert b. 1 Jul 1838
c. 12 Aug 1838 St Luke Finsbury,​ Middlesex
John Robert SADLER & Jane

Marriages Dec 1860 Marylebone 1a 796
SADLER John Robert & EDWARDS Jane Eliza


I'm missing two marriages and several deaths. 3x Jane and 2 or 3x John Robert.

The marriage before 1838 - no 1838 birth reg and no maiden name for the first Jane.

Deaths Dec Qtr 1870 SADLER Jane Eliza 34 Shoreditch 1c 146 [nee Edwards]

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It's possible that the parents registered her Charlotte but then changed their minds before the baptism and had her baptised Alice.

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NSW Death 145/1887 SADLER JOHN R - JOHN - JANE SYDNEY * 21 Jan 1887

JOHN SADLER Age 48 - 22/01/1887 Zone A Methodist Old 03B OC 170

That's the one born 1838 with no birth reg that I can see.

Death of his father?
 

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Thanks Emeltee.

I can't find a birth reg for Ada.

1881
RG11 Piece 432 Folio 69 Page 46
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-RD: Town
ED: 13
Address: 36 Huntingdon Bldgs
SADLER John R. Head Mar 42 Wood Turner St Lukes Middlesex
SADLER Jane Wife Mar 29 St Geo In The East Middlesex
SADLER Alice Dau Unm 19 Marylebone Middlesex
SADLER Emma Dau 17 Marylebone Middlesex
SADLER Rosa Dau 10 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex
SADLER Ada Dau 8 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex
SADLER Beatrice Dau 1 B Green Middlesex

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John Robert b. 1812 who married Jane before 1838 was a baker.

John Robert b. 20 Feb 1812
c. 8 Jan 1815 St James Westminster
John SADLER &​ Sarah

Not this one so should be in 1841 census.

SADLER, JANE LUCY 63
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 294

Lots of Jane Sadler without a John in 1841.

Deaths for 6x John in London or Middx 1837 - 1841

None that fit for born 1812 +/- 2
 
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There seems to be only one baptism on FS with father = John Robert and mother = Jane


LOVE, JANE - MOLE
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) Volume 01C Page 394

I can't find that marriage.

Death for Jane nee Love.

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Deaths Dec 1920
SADLER Jane E 68 Barnet 3a 428

Deaths Jun 1923
SADLER Jane E 72 Islington 1b 191

No middle initial in 1881 census.
 
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I'm missing a lot Emeltee.

Most of it I can't find.

I don't know when John (b. 1838 ) went to Australia. I don't know if he had any siblings.

I'll look again tomorrow for 1891 & 1901 census.

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fs has the Sadler/Love 1879 marriage with Jane's surname as Lore not Love. It does, however, give her father's name as George.

I cannot find a Love/Mole marriage so it is possible that Jane's mother was a widow when she married George.

I cannot find the Love or the Sadler family in the Censuses but I have found another birth, brother to Jane. There is a Charles Love registered 1850 St George in the East mmn Mole.

Best I can do, I'm afraid.

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Alice Augusta Sadler
Estimated birth year:-abt 1862
Age:21
Spouse:- Charles William Grant -F Charles
Spouse Age:-21
Record Type:-Marriage
Event Date:-16 May 1883
Parish:St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough:-Tower Hamlets
Father Name:-John Robert Sadler
Spouse Father:-Charles Grant
Register Type:parish Register


Name: Emma Clara Sadler
Spouse: Robert Jefferys -FGeorge Jefferys
Father: John Robert Sadler
Birth: abt 1864
Marriage: 11 Jul 1883 - St Thomas, Bethnal Green

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John Robert
Last name-Sadler
GenderMale
Baptism year-1838
Baptism date-12 Aug 1838
Residence-Finsbury, Middlesex, England
Place-Finsbury
County-Middlesex
Country-England
Father's first name(s)-John Robert
Father's last name-Sadler
Mother's first name(s)-Jane

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Thanks Emeltee.

Lots of gaps but at least it's not a direct line.

So far I have John Robert (b. 1838 ) and daughters Ada, Rosa and Emma Clara in NSW.


Departed Plymouth 8 Sep 1883 Arrived Sydney 14 Dec 1883
New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
SADLER Ada 10 'Rialto' 1883 Sydney Reel 2142
SADLER Rosa 12 'Rialto' 1883 Sydney Reel 2142


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Thanks Ellie.

Robert Jefferys married Rosa in NSW after Emma Clara died.

New South Wales, Australia, Immigration Deposit Journals, 1853-1900
Name: Robert Jeffries
Age: 21
Place of Origin: London
Immigration Date: 14 Dec 1883
Ship: Rialto
Sponsor Name: John R Sadlor (29 Rose Street, Darlington)
Deposit Date: 5 Apr 1883
Immigration Group:
Name
Robert Jeffries 21 Toolmaker 86 Old Kent Road, London
Emma Jeffries 20
Rosa Sadler 12
Ada Sadler 10

John Robert was already in NSW.

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I've tried 6 different spellings and can't find this on GRO

Births Mar 1862 JEFFERYS Robert Shoreditch 1c 2_4 ? ms


The image for Alice Augusta on FreeBMD has Alice Augusta.


I can't find a death or burial for Jane (nee Love) in NSW.

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ROBERT
Last name-JEFFERYS
Birth year-1862
Birth quarter-1
Registration month
District-Shoreditch
County-London
Country-England
Volume-1C
Page-224
Record setEngland & Wales Births 1837-2006

Not finding a Bapts.
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1871

Robert Jeffreys
Age:9
Estimated birth year:abt 1862
Relation:Son
Father's name:George Jeffreys
Mother's name:Jane Jeffreys
Gender:Male
Where born:Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district:Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel:15
Household schedule number:154
Piece:478
Folio:58
Page Number:27
Household Members:
Name
Age


George Jeffreys 34 -c1837Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England-?glass pillar maker
Jane Jeffreys 40 -c1831Spratton, Northamptonshire, England
Jane Jeffreys 12 -1859Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
George Jeffreys 11 -c1860 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Robert Jeffreys 9 -c1862Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Mary Jeffreys 7 -c1864Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Peter Jeffreys 3 -1868Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Jeffreys 10 Months -c1870 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

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Thanks Ellie.

I have the census and deaths for George and Jane. Jefferys and Jeffreys.

Two main gaps.

Arrival 1881 - 1883 for John Robert Sadler and death for Jane nee Love.

I can't see Jane in 1891. I think some of the family stayed in England. I've not traced all the children. It's Rosa who connects to my tree.

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