Amos & Adam KELTIE/KELTY

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

KELTIE/KELTY brothers born Alloa, Clackmannan - parents James & Cecilia (variations)

1861 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 465
Registration district: Alloa
Civil Parish: Alloa
Town: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: West Vennel
Cecilia Kelty head 45 1816 Factory Worker Wool Torryburn, Fifeshire
Cecilia Kelty daughter 22 1839 Factory Torryburn, Fifeshire
John Kelty son 18 1843 Plumber Ap Torryburn, Fifeshire
David Kelty son 15 1846 Baker Ap Torryburn, Fifeshire
William Kelty son 13 1848 Piecer Wool-mill Torryburn, Fifeshire
Margaret Kelty daughter 11 1850 Torryburn, Fifeshire
Manney Kelty daughter 9 1852 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
Amos Kelty son 7 1854 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
Adam Kelty son 4 1857 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
Cecelia Kelty mother 80 1781 Torryburn, Fifeshire


I'd like a look up please for Amos and Adam in 1871.

Mother is here in 1881:

1881
Registration Number: 465
Registration district: Alloa
Civil Parish: Alloa
Town: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
ED: 1
Address: 44 Castle Street
Household schedule number: 68 Line: 8
KELTIE Cecilia head 1816 age 65 Torryburn, Fifeshire
GRAMGER Cecilia grandaughter 1869 age 12 Alloa, Clackshire Genl. Dom. Serv.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Older sister Manny didn't make it to 1871:

Page 13 1868 Deaths in the Parish of Alloa in the County of Clackmannan
No 13 - Marion Keltie 1868 January Thirtieth 9 hr A.M. Inngate Alloa - F - 16 yrs - James Keltie Woollen Weaver Decd. Cecilia Keltie M.S. Masterton - Bright's Disease of the Kidneys as certified by Peter Brotherston, F.R.C.S.E. - Margaret Keltie, Sister-in-law Not Present - 1868 3 February at Alloa Wm. D Bruce Registrar

 

[barbarajoh]

Here is Adam

KELTIE, Cecilia Head Widow F 54 1817 Semstress Torryburn, Fife N/A
KELTIE, Adam Son Unmarried M 14 1857 Iron Moulder Alloa, Clackmannanshire N/A
Piece: 465
Folio: 4
Page: 38
Registration District: Alloa
Civil Parish: Alloa
Municipal Borough:
Address: Back O'dykes, Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire

 

[barbarajoh]

Can't find Amos even just using first name, year of birth and place of birth only.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much. That's one of four found. We had looked previously for brothers David and William and they have not been found after 1861.

The 'Back O'dykes' rings a bell too. Be easier if my tree had 400 and not 5000 in it.

Regards,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

I was just trying to piece the origins of this family together when I came across this on FS (including Cecilia's maiden name):
name: Adam Keltie
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 14 May 1836
baptism/christening place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
birth date: 04 Dec 1835
father's name: James Keltie
mother's name: Cecilia Masterton
indexing project (batch) number: C11458-7
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1040387
I couldn't see him in 1841 with his family, though there is an anomaly after James' entry. He does appear in 1851, however:

***

Name: Adam Kelie
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James Kelie
Mother's Name: Cecilia Kelie
Gender: Male
Where born: Torryburn, fifesh
Parish Number: 465
Civil parish: Alloa
Town: Gaberston
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Gaberston
ED: 2
Page: 54 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 229
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_96

Unlikely there would be 2 Adam's, so I suspect he died between 1851 and 1857. Indeed one tree has him dying Mar 1857, one month after father James, Feb 1857 of Typhus fever.

***

Tribal Pages:
Name: David Keltie
Birth: January 30 1845
Death: February 06 1880 aboard vessel Terentia, Scotland
Father: James KELTIE
Mother: Cecil(ia) MASTERTON

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thank you very much.

I was just trying to piece the origins of this family together...

It only took me 5 years. :biggrin:

1841
Piece: SCT1841/458 Place: Torryburn -Fife Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Torryburn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 16
Address: Low Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MASTERTON Adam M 65 Publican Outside Census County (1841)
MASTERTON Cecilia F 65 Fife
MASTERTON Marion F 25 Fife
KELTY Adam M 5 Fife

1851
Civil Parish: Alloa
Town: Gaberston
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Gaberston
KELIE James head 1814 age 37 Hand Loom Weaver (wool) England
KELIE Cecilia wife 1816 age 35 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE Cecilia daur 1836 age 15 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE Adam son 1838 age 13 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE James son 1840 age 11 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE John son 1842 age 9 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE David son 1844 age 7 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE William son 1847 age 4 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE Margaret daur 1850 age 1 Torryburn, Fifesh


Interesting that it has her name as 'Cecil' because this is her mother:

Cecil BLACK b. 13 Sep 1775 c. 17 Sep 1775 Torryburn, Fife, Scotland
John BLACK & Marion RAE

Adam MASTERTON & Cicil BLACK
8 Apr 1799 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian

Although it's Cecilia here:

James KELTIE & Cecilia MASTERTON
4 Sep 1835 Torryburn, Fife


Death 1857 James KELTIE Alloa, Clackmannan Age 43

On my list to get next time I get some credits:

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

There are two Adams.

The first born and the last born to James & Cecilia (nee MASTERTON)

b. 4 Dec 1835 Torryburn c. 14 May 1836

I have his death 1851-1857.

Adam born abt 1857 is in 1861 in post #1 age 4.

 

[DaveHam9]

Tribal Pages:
Name: David Keltie
Birth: January 30 1845
Death: February 06 1880 aboard vessel Terentia, Scotland
Father: James KELTIE
Mother: Cecil(ia) MASTERTON

Birth date is correct. Baptised on 9 Feb 1845 Torryburn.

So where was he in 1871? A baker's Ap in 1861 on Alloa.

 

[DaveHam9]

This is a bit curious:

1841
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address: Torryburn Low St
KELTY Adam 1786 age 55 Cotton H L W Scotland
KELTY Margaret 1786 age 55 Scotland
KELTY James 1816 age 25 Damask H L W England
KELTY Cecilia 1816 age 25 Fife, Scotland
KELTY Cecilia B 1838 age 3 Fife, Scotland
KELTY James 1840 1 2mo [14 mo] Fife, Scotland

Piece: SCT1841/458 Place: Torryburn -Fife Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Torryburn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 18
Address: -
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KELTY Adam M 55 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
KELTY Margaret F 55 Outside Census County (1841)


Adam b. Culross, Perth and Margaret b. Pathhead, Midlothian but where are the others?

Son, daughter-in-law and 2nd & 3rd of the 3 grandchildren. The eldest grandchild Adam is with the Mastertons - mother's parents.

When I search Google for 'Pathhead' the 2nd hit is for Singles Dating. ??? :2fun:

 

[horse]

Back to David...

One of the trees has David mar. to a Georgina, b. c1845, and 1 child, Cecilia, this appears to be them with a son too, in 1881 (Scotland Census):
Name: Georgina Keltie
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration number: 465
Registration district: Alloa
Civil parish: Alloa
Town: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Broad Street
Occupation: General Servant
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 52
Line: 17
Roll: cssct1881_129
Cecilia Keltie 6, dau, b. Glasgow
James Keltie 4, son, b. Alloa

This may be their marriage (FS):
groom's name: David Keltie
bride's name: Georgina Keilar
marriage date: 30 Jan 1872
marriage place: Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11931-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
Would make sense as Cecilia b. Glasgow

Interesting Georgina possibly b. England. Still no sign of David in 1871, though if he was a seaman/traveller, he may not have been at home.

Remind me to check out Pathhead :2fun::2fun:

Geof

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks.

Mother's mother
Father's father

I have no info re possible marriage for David. The details I received from a fellow researcher some years ago didn't include anything on William, David, Amos or Adam x2.

Their father James was born in England abt 1814. Still searching for that.

Regards,

Dave

 

[horse]

Ah! Sorry, thought you wanted info on David and William.
As a matter of interest, there was this from the Glasgow PO Directory 1870-72 (but not listed in 1873):
Keltie, David, Huntershill, Quarry Office, 182 Hope St., Glasgow.


I too found that odd 1841 census... will try to follow it up.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Yes, I'm after any info on David, William and Amos after 1861.

The marriage and the death for David are all new to me. I have nothing in what I received previously to confirm those details.

Regards,

Dave