ANDERSON family in W Lothian in 1851

[DaveHam9]

I'd like a look up for this family in 1851 please.

SCT1841/661 Civil Parish: Abercorn Address: Society
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born
ANDERSON Alexander M 50 Sexton Outside Census County
ANDERSON Janet F 40 Outside Census County
ANDERSON Eliza F 20 Milliner West Lothian
ANDERSON James M 15 Fisher West Lothian
ANDERSON Janet F 15 West Lothian
ANDERSON Ann F 10 West Lothian

Thanks,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hi Dave,

This was the only one that came up for 1851

Civil parish Abercorn
Address Society

Alexander Anderson head age 68 born Colessie Fifie occ church officer
Janet Anderson wife age 58 born Culcuss Perth
James son age 28 occ church off asst born Abercorn
Christina dau age 9 born Abercorn
Janet Anderson g/dau age 8 born Abercorn
Elizabeth Gilbertson g/dau age 12 born Annder Dumfries occ errand girl

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

Thank you. That is the family but some of it puzzles me. Christina was born on 11 Dec 1841 Abercorn so that fits.

For there to be a grand daughter Janet born about 1843 means that James born 16 Jan 1822 must have married about 1842.

Janet born 5 Mar 1825 married John SANDS in 1848 and Ann born 1831 married Adam SANDS in 1852. So that means Eliza born 29 Nov 1819 must have married a GILBERTSON for Elizabeth to have been born about 1840.

Curious, there is no mention in any of the SANDS trees of Eliza or James having married.

More searching is required.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

The only marriage that makes some sense is this one:

08/10/1837 GILBERTSON JOHN HELEN ANDERSON/FR1252 M Abercorn /WEST LOTHIAN 661/ 0050 0145


but there is no Helen/Ellen in the family. I can't find any Eliza/Elizabeth GILBERTSON born in Dumfries 1837-1840

I'm wondering what this means "age 12 born Annder Dumfries" - I can find no such place/parish - the closest is Annan.

Re Janet aged 8 I have found this:

Janet Elizabeth ANDERSON c. 28 Nov 1842 Abercorn, West Lothian No parents Batch: C116616
ditto but born that date - a private IGI entry with parents as Alexander Frazer & Elizabeth Anderson.

Curious. As I said, there is nothing in the lore to say either married yet there are two grand daughters!

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

I was thinking that it would be Annan, as I can only view the transcriptions and not able to check the census image.

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

There is a John Gilbertson on the Scottish 1841 census no Ellen/Helen with him.

Civil parish Abercorn
Address Hopetown Fshery

John Gilbertson age 25 born Scotland occ MS (male servant)

The others in the household are a family called McQueen and a few servants.

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

This could be the John and Helen in 1851 whose marriage you found..

Civil parish Annan
Address Howgil

John Gilbertson head age 37 born Gretna occ hand loom weaver cotton
Helen wife age 41 born Abercorn
Janet dau age 10 born Abercorn
Jane dau age 9 born Gretna
John son age 7 born Gretna
Helen dau age 5 born Dornock
Alexander son age 2 born dornock

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for looking further. Yes, it looks as though it must be Annan and that is the family to match the marriage. But why is Elizabeth living with her grandparents? And who is Helen? I don't have a Helen/Ellen to match in that family! The children were born 1819, 1822, 1825, 1828, 1831. There is no obvious gap for a Helen who is old enough.

Re the IGI batch that shows the baptism of Janet but does not list any parents and then the privately submitted one that does, I'm wondering if she is Eliza's child and that Eliza didn't marry Alexander Frazer. So, Janet took her mother's name.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

I will contact an old researcher of the ANDERSON / SANDS family in USA and see if she can shed any light on the two grandchildren.

I won't call this closed yet.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

I was correct. Elizabeth Anderson is the mother of Janet Elizabeth Anderson. In the Kirk Session minutes for Abercorn, West Lothian she requests help with a child that she had in October of 1842. Elizabeth states that Alexander Fraser is
the father of Janet. He left the parish in February so they couldn't question him about the baby. She is in the Kirk session minutes 3 times in 1844 to ask for assistance again.

No solution so far for the GILBERTSON grand child puzzle.

Please see if you can find Elizabeth GILBERTSON b. 1839 Annan, Dumfries.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hi Dave,

In 1861 there is an Elisabeth Gilbertson but an alternative of Hinchcliff has been submitted. Head of household is a Jane Hinchcliff, the son in law is a Richard Gilbertson, so this looks like Elisabeths husband, which would rule out her out for the 1851 census as Elizabeth Gilbertson.

The 1851 census image with Elizabeth Gilbertson should be looked at to compare with the transcription.

Theres nothing in 1841 for Elizabeth Gilbertson with the info you gave.

There is a Gilbertson family in 1841 living in the civil parish of Annan but no Elizabeth with them.

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for looking. it seems to confirm that there is no solution to the mystery of a grand daughter, Elizabeth GILBERTSON.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

James ANDERSON b. 1822 is living with sister Christina FRENCH b. Dec 1841 and Christina's children in 1881 and 1891.

James died on 30 Jul 1898 I've just found out. George Henry FRENCH vanishes and Christina had some more children with Carl LEONHARDT but they don't marry. I don't know what family name the children have.

Please see if you can find James and Christina and children in 1881 and 1891 please. I don't know what family name the children have. I presume Christina calls herself a FRENCH.

Children (not all may be there)
Janet
Georgiana
Carl
Charlotta /Lotta

Thanks.

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

1891

Civil parish Dunfermline
Address Red Row

James Anderson head age 62 occ slater and gen lab born Abercarn
Christina Anderson sister age 48 occ seamstress born Abercarn
Janet French niece age 27 occ gen domestic serv born Abercarn
Carl August Leonhardt nephew age 19 occ drapers asst born Dunfermline
Charlotte Leonhardt neice age 16 occ gen domestic serv born Kinghorn Fifeshire

 

[juliejtp]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Christina is on her own in 1901

Civil parish Dunfermline
Address Red Row

Christina Leonhardt head age 56 occ sick nurse born Abercorn

Civil parish Dunfermline
Address Park Cottage

Janet Gartshore age 35 living on own means born Logie parish Perthshire
Charlotte Leonhardt age 24 occ gen serv (domestic) born Kinghorn

1881

Civil parish Dunfermline
Address Limekilns

James Anderson age 52 occ slater born Abercorn
Janet French niece age 17 occ gen dom serv born Abercorn
Georgina French niece age 15 born Charleston, Fife
Carl Loenhardt nephew age 9 born Limekilns
Augusta Loenhardt niece age 4 born Kinghorn

Could this be Christina in 1881

Civil parish Borrowstounnes
County West Lothian
Address North Street

Adam Sands head age 50 occ fisherman born Dunfermline
Ann wife age 49 born Abercorn
Jane Eliza Sands dau age 19 born occ dressmaker Boness, Linlithgowshire
Christina Lind Anderson sister in law age 39 sailors wife born Abercorn.

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

Thank you very much. You have the correct ones. I noticed Charlotte went from 4 to 16 to 24. When lotte was working as a servant at 14 age was given as 16. She was the informant for her mother's death in 1917. In 1881 Charlotte apppears with her middle name Augusta.

Yes, in 1881 Christina was living with her sister Ann and family. Ann and another sister Janet married SANDS brothers. Time to move on to that large family.

This one is complete.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

I now have this one and despite what appear to be errors in transcription? it seems to be the family in 1841:

Lee Houses, Gretna

GILBERSON John M 58 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Dumfries-shire
GILBERSON Elinor F 25 Outside Census County (1841)
GILBERSON Eliza F 2 Dumfries-shire
GILBERSON Elizebth F 56 Agricultural Labourer Dumfries-shire
GILBERSON Janey F 1 Outside Census County (1841)

My reading of this: Age for John should probably be 28. Elinor on the 2nd line is his spouse (Helen). Janey is probably the Janet in the 1851 census. And we have an Eliza age 2 that fits.

What do you think? It still leaves a mystery because the ANDERSON family has no Elinor/Helen to be the mother.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Re: ANDERSON familt in W Lothian in 1851

Hello juliejtp,

More and more is falling in to place. There is a Helen Anderson Gilbertson that dies in 1871 at Annan Dumfries. She is married to a John and her father's name is Alexander. But he is a tailor and not a letter carrier?? Her mother's name is Janet Anderson M.S. ...skin? Her widower, John was the informant. Helen would have been born before Alexander and Janet KELTIE marry in 1818.

Janet's (nee KELTIE) death certificate in 1879 says Alexander as a letter carrier. So he changed in later life from being a Sexton. I doubt he was a tailor in 1871 so there is a problem with that bit. No death has been found for Alexander but there is this which suggests a prior marriage:

There was a Helen Anderson born to an Alexander Anderson & Janet Danskin on the 29 March 1811 in Abercorn.

It will be probably be difficult finding the death of Janet (nee Danskin) before 8 Nov 1818.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

A burial for Alexander and 2nd spouse:

In Abercorn Churchyard.

Alex Anderson letter carrier Society Church Officer 13.6.1851, aged 69, wife Janet Kelti(e) 24.5.1879 aged 87.

I'm still looking for the death/burial of his first spouse.

Regards,

Dave