ANDERSON family

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

1851
HO107 Piece: 1545 Folio: 399 Page: 26
St. Mary Whitechapel
Address: Hereford Terrace
ANDERSON
James 47 solicitors clerk born Dublin, Ireland
Eleanor 41 born Athlone, Ireland
Mary Jane 19 milliner born Dublin
Sarah Anne 15 app. milliner born Stepney
Ella Elizabeth 12 born Stepney
Marcella L. 10 born Stepney
Ann A. 8 born Stepney
Eleanor 4 born Whitechapel
Margaret under 2 months born Whitechapel

James arrived in Australia 1851 - 1858. ???

1858 N.S.W. Sands Directory
ANDERSON James, clerk, Supreme Court, Pitt-street, Redfern


Lucy E. born 1833 Stepney is missing from the 1851 census.

Mary J., Lucy E. and Sarah A. arrived together on the 'Carnatic' in 1853.

Ella E., Marcella, Ann A. and Eleanor all ended up in NSW, by 1859, 1860, ? and ?.
I've not found a marriage or a death for the youngest, Margaret, so I don't know if she arrived with them. I have no death for Eleanor spouse of James so I don't know if she died in England or not. Possible:

Deaths Sep 1855
Anderson Eleanor Poplar 1c 398

Searching for the not so common name Marcella produced no results.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

What do you think of this one for your James

NSW
Passengers on the ship Washington Irving [2] Arrived on the 2 March 1856. He is noted as a accountant. No age given.

 

[DaveHam9]

Not sure gibbo.

He became Chief Clerk in Equity in Sydney - a high up position in the court system so don't think 'accountant' fits in between being a solicitors clerk in Ireland and occupation in NSW.

The three eldest sisters arrived together and they were easy to find. The others arrived for sure so it's curious why they can't be found.

We need something from the 'Carnatic' records in 1853 to say if they had relations already in the colony or not.

 

[gibbo]

Nope i was wrong that isnt him on that ship

I have him here in 1854 now :2fun::2fun:

30 December 1854, John Taylor, leased to Mary Ann Kelly a property in Taylors Lane, Old South Head Road (book 35 No. 271)

Fifteen parcels of land were conveyed in November 1868 to the Higham grandchildren, William Lynch, Licensed Victualler, lately a Grocer and John Roberts of Botany Street Surrey Hills Drayman, trustees of the marriage settlement of Eli Daw and Mary Daw formerly Mary Higham Spinster of the first part, Charles Campbell of Sydney aforesaid Gentleman and Betsey his wife formerly Betsey Higham of the second part, Robert Higham of Taylor Street Sydney aforesaid Drayman of the third part, James Terrey of the South Head Road in Sydney aforesaid Land Owner and Grocer and John Richard Baker of the South Head Road Road aforesaid Pawnbroker Trustees of the Marriage Settlement of William Jones and Margaret Jones formerly Margaret Higham spinster of the fourth part, James Anderson of Sydney aforesaid Chief Clerk in the office of the Master in Equity and the Trustee appointed in the ........etc etc


Oops forgot to post the link for you

http://www.darlinghurst.biz/history/roberttaylor.htm

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

1851 -1854 now so cut in half.

 

[DaveHam9]

The NSW Law Almanacs are on line but they don't start until 1880s.

Govt Gazette ??? Before 2001 see SLNSW.

1868 is the earliest list of Government positions I can find.

 

[DaveHam9]

I have no death for James. I've just found this that indicates he no longer held the position:

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 4 May 1870 p.3
LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.
TUESDAY.
THE SPEAKER took the chair at twenty-nine minutes past 3 o'clock.
APPOINTMENT OF THE CHIEF CLERK IN EQUITY.
Mr. BUCHANAN asked the Colonial Secretary,-"Has the appointment of Chief Clerk in Equity, lately held by Mr. James Anderson, solicitor, been filled up; and if so, by whom, and at what salary...

James is listed in the position in the 1868 Sands Directory.

I wonder if he had to retire on reaching 65?

 

[DaveHam9]

Several other James ANDERSONs in TROVE at the same time 1870 -1880.

I expected to see a notice about him leaving the position.


Death 1334/1882 ANDERSON JAMES AGE 79 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY ?

But there are others - two too young.

789/1882 ANDERSON JAMES AGE 42 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY
2287/1882 ANDERSON JAMES -- MARGARET SYDNEY
3652/1882 ANDERSON JAMES W AGE 58 YEARS DIED NEWTOWN NEWTOWN

Funeral notice
The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 20 April 1882 p.14
but this James was residing at a hotel in Sydney so rules that one out.

 

[gibbo]

:2fun::2fun: I was just about to post that death index. The James aged 79.
It fits for age at least :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

And Ryerson:

ANDERSON James Funeral notice 07FEB1881 Funeral SMH 07FEB1881 ?

ANDERSON James Funeral notice 20APR1882 Funeral late of Surry Hills SMH 20APR1882 ?

ANDERSON James Funeral notice 19NOV1884 Funeral SMH 19NOV1884 ?

 

[gibbo]

What are the married names of the girls? I know Marcella married William Sands. Just a thought that their names might be in a death notice for James. It might help to find the right death for him maybe.

 

[DaveHam9]

You don't want much do you? :2fun:

237/1856 ALLINGHAM WILLIAM - ANDERSON LUCY ELEANOR - SYDNEY

18/1858 SALISBURY SAMUEL E - ANDERSON MARY J - SYDNEY

1402/1859 RENWICK HUGH - ANDERSON SARAH ANN - BATHURST
2nd # 1682/1870 FRASER FRANCIS WILLIAM - RUWICK SARAH ANN - BATHURST

841/1859 WATT JOHN - ANDERSON ELLEN - SYDNEY

1939/1876 WEST ROSS - ANDERSON ELEANOR - BATHURST


The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 7 June 1860
MARRIAGE
On the 28th May, by special license, at St. Paul's Church, Redfern, by the Rev. Robert Taylor, Mr. William, eldest son of Mr. John Sands, Cambrian Vale, near Goulburn, to Miss Marcella Lynch, fifth daughter of Mr. James Anderson, Redfern, Sydney.

 

[gibbo]

Nah dont want much:biggrin: Look at it this way, it will keep me quiet for a while :2fun::2fun::2fun:
Thanks :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

No mention of her father James:

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 5 December 1876 p.10
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of Mr. JAMES WATT are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his late beloved WIFE, Ellen, to move from his residence, Elizabeth-street, Strawberry Hill, THIS (Tuesday) MORNING, at half-past 8 o'clock, to Necropolis.
C. KINSELA and SONS, George-street, opp. Christ Church, and Oxford-st.

I also can't find a death for John R WATT. Don't know why it says James.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 20 April 1901
DEATHS
ALLINGHAM.-March 15, 1901, at her late residence, 3 Oatley-road Paddington, Mrs. William Allingham, sen., third daughter of the late Mr. James Anderson, chief clerk in Equity, Supreme Court, aged 62 years. At rest. Interred at Waverley Cemetery. Goulburn papers please copy.

 

[gibbo]

I cant find him on a passenger list nor any articles to help confirm which death is his
Theres heaps of J Andersons and Jame's Anderson on the lists but which one if any is him i have no idea

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks for looking. Yes, I've decided to move on. You may care to read the service record of John RIDGWAY 57344 on NAA and look at the topic on the Australian board. It's a weird puzzle.

 

[gibbo]

Yeah i might move on from this one as well :biggrin: At least his arrival has been narrowed down a bit. If the girls come out here in 1853 i wouldnt be surprised if James was here before they arrived.:biggrin:

Case still open but moved on :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, move on for now. I need to view the films at the library to see if it says the three already had any relations in the colony.

 

[DaveHam9]

1853 'Carnatic' Reel 2464

Mary Ann 21 Milliner Dublin CofE Both
Lucy Eleanor 19 Housemaid London CofE Both
Sarah Anne 17 Milliner London CofE Both

Parents: James & Eleanor living at 4 Kensington ? Terrace, Oxford st, Brill ? End ? London

Relations in Colony: None

That's probably Mile End. Don't know if I read 'Kensington' correctly or not. In 1851 the family was living at Hereford Terrace. It didn't look like a cow to me.