Andrew COCHRANE

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

1841
Piece: SCT1841/654 Place: Rutherglen -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 20
Civil Parish: Rutherglen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 20 Page: 6
Address: Main Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR William M 25 Coal Miner Lanarkshire
KERR Elisabeth F 20 Lanarkshire
COCHRAN Andrew M 20 Lanarkshire

I'm wondering if an occupation shows for Andrew.

Seems he died between 1841 and 1851 and I'm slowly eliminating them.

09/05/1848 COCHRANE ANDREW M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0570 0186

From the Royal Infirmary Glasgow
1848 May Died 9 Funeral 11 Andw. Cochrane Quarrier Gorbals Buried in the Lair of Common Ground - Fever Age 32

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Not this one
08/11/1842 COCHRAN ANDREW M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0670 0135

Andrew COCHRAN 7 months son of mason - Hooping cough

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I don't have a copy of this one yet:

30/01/1849 COCHRANE ANDREW M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0570 0240

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

No occupation transcribed, Dave.

Sorry

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

I can't find a death for his sister either so I'm having trouble confirming parents. Seems there were only three siblings.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Who was his sister? Elizabeth Kerr?

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes Barbara I have a copy of that death certificate but other researchers claim different parents for her sister hence my search for Andrew's death.

Anne COCHRANE b. 8 Dec 1811 c. 22 Dec 1811 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
John COCHRAN & Janet ROSS

Ann Cochrane - found no death records in the OPR's or Statutes.

Anne Cochrane who is returned as buried in Largs 3 Jan 1843 - either recorded as Malcolm or Mrs Alexander.

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
Piece: SCT1851/654 Place: Rutherglen -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 18
Civil Parish: Rutherglen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 630 Page: 4 Schedule: 15
Address: 43 Main Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR William Head M M 28 Ovens Man At Coal Pit Lanarkshire - Rutherglen
KERR Elisabeth Wife M F 32 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
MALCOLM Anne Niece U F 10 Scholar Ayrshire - Largs

Ann is my gg grandmother.

Ann's mother is Anne COCHRANE.


1863 MCLUCKIE ALEXANDER MALCOLM ANN RUTHERGLEN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 654/00 0049

On 16th June 1863 at 15 Burnhill Street, Rutherglen Alexander McLuckie (24), Overseer in a coal mine married Ann Malcolm (22), cotton thread worker. Parents Robert McLuckie, overseer in a coal mine/Jane Bell - Alexander Malcolm, Cotton and Silk weaver/Ann Cochran (deceased). Witness: John Park and Ann Bowie.

 

[barbarajoh]

You don't have Elisabeth's death then? Will that not clinch the parents. Who do the "other researchers" say are the parents. Other researchers always put that element of doubt into your probably correct research!:2fun:

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

This leads us back to a puzzle that was not solved last time round. We could not sort out a James HUTCHISON/HUTCHINSON who could be the nephew. Although last time I think we assumed he had to be over 21. This time round I think we'll have to go as young as 14. :2fun:

Yes I have a copy and it's yet another WYLIE.

1873 KERR ELIZABETH COCHRANE F 51 GOVAN AND GOVAN CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/01 0851

1873 Deaths in the District of Govan Church in the County of Lanark
#851 Elizabeth Kerr Widow of William Kerr, Coal Miner - 1873 September Eleventh 7h. 0m. A.M., 4 Shields Terrace, Murray Park - F - 51 Years - James Cochrane Mason (Journeyman) (deceased) & Jane Cochrane M.S. Wylie (deceased) - Phthisis Some months as Certified by John Dregall ? M.D. Surgeon - James Hutchinson Nephew 209 London ? Road, Glasgow - 1783 September 13th At Govan Thomas Steel registrar

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
Piece: SCT1841/602 Place: Largs -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Largs Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Largs
Folio: 4 Page: 23
Address: Nelson Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MALCOM Alexander M 29 Weaver Ayrshire
MALCOM Anne F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
MALCOM Archibald M 6 Ayrshire
MALCOM Jane F 4 Ayrshire
MALCOM Rebecca F 2 Ayrshire
MALCOM Anne F 8m Ayrshire

It does not say Lanark but Andrew was born Lanark it seems. Elizabeth born Glasgow.

1841
Piece: SCT1841/654 Place: Rutherglen -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 20
Civil Parish: Rutherglen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 20 Page: 6
Address: Main Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR William M 25 Coal Miner Lanarkshire
KERR Elisabeth F 20 Lanarkshire
COCHRAN Andrew M 20 Lanarkshire

This is the claim:

Anne COCHRANE b. 8 Dec 1811 c. 22 Dec 1811 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
John COCHRAN & Janet ROSS

Real pity there is no relationship (for Andrew) in 1841.

I do have this:


30/05/1834 MALCOLM ALEXANDER ANN COCHRAN/FR584 M LARGS (AYR) /AYR 602/00 0030 0341

1834 May 30 Recd. to proclaim Alexr. Malcolm of this parish and Ann Cochran Parish of Gorbels Glasgow and three Sabbaths. 6/-

 

[barbarajoh]

But as Andrew died before registration his death might not help you much. Have you done a parents search for children (if that makes sense) on SP yet?

If this Hutchison was a nephew he might not have been too sure of the parents and said what he thought not what he knew.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

I've done nothing re John COCHRAN & Janet ROSS to see what children they had.

You are right about the nephew. There is detail there re mason journeyman.

I've also done nothing yet re James COCHRAN & Jane WYLIE to see what children they had or even if there is such a marriage.

 

[barbarajoh]

Ha:2fun: I found a James Hutchison at 201 London Road but in 1881 he is only 10!

I'll go back to sleep!

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

That one is a bit young in 1873.


I did search previously and found these but no Jane Wylie. Renfrew not Lanark.

1 14/04/1807 COCHRAN JAMES JAMES COCHRAN/JANE DONALD FR375 M KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/00 0010 0481
2 10/02/1809 COCHRAN JOHN JAMES COCHRAN/JANE DONALD FR379 M KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/00 0010 0489
3 11/04/1819 COCHRAN JOHN JAMES COCHRAN/JANE AITKEN FR1258 M ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0030 0572
4 11/07/1803 COCHRAN WILLIAM JAMES COCHRAN/JANE DONALD FR 368 M KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/00 0010 0468
5 27/10/1814 COCHRANE ALEXANDER JAMES COCHRANE/JANE DONALD FR387 M KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/00 0010 0505
6 07/07/1811 COCHRANE JANE JAMES COCHRANE/JANE DONALD FR382 F KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/00 0010 0496
7 29/04/1805 COCHRANE MARGARET JAMES COCHRANE/JANE DONALD FR 371 F KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/00 0010 0474

 

[DaveHam9]

This marriage exists:

John Cochran
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: Mar 1802 Gorbals,​Lanark,​Scotland
spouse: Jannet Ross

and this one:

James Cochrane
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 21 Aug 1802 ,​ Kilbarchan,​ Renfrew,​ Scotland
spouse: Jane Donald

I can't find a marriage to a Jane WYLIE/WYLLIE.

 

[DaveHam9]

Children of John COCHRAN & Janet ROSS baptised in Gorbals:

Janet 1803
John 1805
Elizabeth 1806
Anne 1811
Margaret 1815
Jean 1819
James 1822
Mary 1823
Christian 1826

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I have Anne born outside Ayr age 30 in 1841 - no age on marriage record and no age at burial in 1843. Of the Parish of Gorbals in 1834.

I have Andrew age 20 in 1841 born Lanark - probably died before 1851.

I have Elizabeth born abt 1820 Glasgow. Of the Parish of Gorbals in 1835.

So Anne would fit but Elizabeth does not and there is no Andrew.

 

[DaveHam9]

Anne Cochran
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 31 May 1834 Gorbals,​Lanark,​Scotland
spouse: Alexander Malcolm

Anne Cochrane
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 15 Feb 1834 Gorbals,​Lanark,​Scotland
spouse: James Montgomerie

Ann Cochrane
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 27 Dec 1835 Glasgow,​Lanark,​Scotland
spouse: Archibald Mcwatt

Ann Cochrane
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 16 Jun 1837 Glasgow,​Lanark,​Scotland
spouse: William Timpney

Ann Cochrane
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 18 Feb 1828 Glasgow,​Lanark,​Scotland
spouse: Matthew Wallace

and more in other parts of Lanark.

Deaths 1855 - 1910 for Ann(e) with maiden name ROSS born 1811 +/- 3 = 127 = I give up.

 

[DaveHam9]

Only two show in 1841 as being a mason - several with no occupation listed:

Piece: SCT1841/470 Place: Alva -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Alva Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Alva
Folio: 470 Page: 2
Address: North Row

Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
COCHRANE James M 55 Journeyman Mason Stirlingshire
COCHRANE John M 20 Jrnymn Wool Spinner Stirlingshire
COCHRANE Thos M 15 Jrnymn Wool Slubber Stirlingshire
MASON Mary F 20 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)
LAWSON Christian F 15 Outside Census County (1841)


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Piece: SCT1841/475 Place: Campsie -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Campsie Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Campsie
Folio: 0 Page: 14
Address: Main Street

Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
COCHRAN James M 40 Mason Stirlingshire
COCHRAN Robt M 17 Mason Apprentice Stirlingshire
COCHRAN John M 10 Stirlingshire
COCHRAN Veter M 3 Stirlingshire
COCHRAN Rebekkah F 19 Stirlingshire
COCHRAN Catherine F 11 Stirlingshire

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
Piece: SCT1851/654 Place: Rutherglen -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 18
Civil Parish: Rutherglen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 630 Page: 4 Schedule: 15
Address: 43 Main Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KERR William Head M M 28 Ovens Man At Coal Pit Lanarkshire - Rutherglen
KERR Elisabeth Wife M F 32 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
MALCOLM Anne Niece U F 10 Scholar Ayrshire - Largs

Ann's mother is Elisabeth's sister Anne COCHRANE.

Ann named one daughter Elizabeth Kerr and one son William Kerr so this has to be the origin of the middle name. Not on McLUCKIE side with Cooksley, Cairns, Draper, Farmer, Bell and Allan.

 

[barbarajoh]

Hi Dave,

Well sorted out one part of your puzzle. Ann daughter of John and Janet Ross was married to somebody McWatt and died in 1858 aged 46 years so she is not yours.

I will send you the death by email.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

There is a tree that has those as parents in error: HERE

Regards,

Dave