Andrew Shaw arrived in USA around 1880

[jimbo]

I'm trying to trace back from my paternal great grandfather Andrew Shaw who arrived in New York sometime around 1880 from Scotland aboard the SS Ansonia (I believe was the name of the ship) his listed occupation on the passenger list was house painter. I tried Ancestry.com a while back but found nothng conclusive. a possible "hit" was a John Shaw born in Perth 1806 as his father but there was no real proof of this connection other than the names. What or where should I try next? I have no idea if andrew had siblings and only vaguely rememebr my grandfather Howard Shaw (son of Andrew) had a brother named Donald. Any ideas greatly appreciated.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Jimbo

Can you give any dates and places. Was your grandfather born in Scotland or USA

dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

Could the ship be Anchoria? as there is a James Shaw born about 1862 as one of the passengers. His occupation could possibily be painter though not to clear.

Arrival date 9 Apr 1886
Port of arrival New York New York
Place of origin Scotland
Port of departure Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland

 

[juliejtp]

Was Andrews wife's name Delia Martha/Martha Delia

 

[jimbo]

Hello, Thanks to those who hav posted suggestions. The best info I have is that Andrew Shaw was born in Scotland and arrived in New York from Glasgow sometime around 1880. Back when I had a subscription to Ancestry.com I saw on their site a scan of the passenger manifest for the SS Ansonia where it listed him arriving in New York. My grandfather Howard Shaw, Andrew's son, died in 1975.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

I cannot find any reference for the name Shaw on the Ansonia.

 

[leefer]

http://www.gjenvick.com/PassengerLi...8-27-PassengerList-Etruria.html#axzz2aNZBcfrU

Was this the Martha you were thinking of Julie...in second class with Andrew Shaw on this link?

Sailed from Liverpool not Scotland...a little more solid info is needed on this one.

 

[jimbo]

Hi again, yes Julie, Andrew's wife's name was Martha Delia Shaw from what I can see in the census report. I now believe Andrew arrived in the US aboard a ship called "Athos" in 1885. I do not have any idea how to go deeper into Andrew's past in Scotland, seems he lived in Glasgow before he came to the USA.

 

[jimbo]

Hi Leever, I don't think that would be the first arrival for Andrew to the US. The 1900 US census lists him as having 3 american born children all born before 1898. Interesting nonetheless since how much of a coincidence that there is another couple with the same names. From the best I can tell from what I see on Ancestry.com Andrew arrived in New York in 1885 and married, Martha Delia maiden name unknown, who was a natural born US citizen according to her response in the US census form from 1900.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

The Andrew Shaw who was a passenger on the Athos gives his occupation as clerk.

The 1900 US census Andrew gives his arrival 1885, the 1910 census has 1886.
I see that he was the middle initial of W.

 

[leefer]

Hi Leever, I don't think that would be the first arrival for Andrew to the US. The 1900 US census lists him as having 3 american born children all born before 1898. Interesting nonetheless since how much of a coincidence that there is another couple with the same names. From the best I can tell from what I see on Ancestry.com Andrew arrived in New York in 1885 and married, Martha Delia maiden name unknown, who was a natural born US citizen according to her response in the US census form from 1900.

Maybe they did a couple of trips:biggrin:

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

The 1915 New York state census just gives Scotland for Andrews place of birh, year of birth is given as 1865.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

This maybe Howard Shaw with grandfather in 1910

Andrew Shaw head/widowed age 75 born Scotland
Fathers place of birth Scotland/Mothers place of birth Scotland
Sarah Shaw daughter age 54 born Scotland
Fathers Place of birth Scotland/Mothers place of birth Scotland
Howard Shaw grandson age 16 born New York
Fathers place of birth Scotland/Mothers place of birth New York

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

Andrews year of birth varies, this coud be the family in 1871 Scotland. Also fathers occupation is baker.

Civil parish Inveraray
Town Inveraray
County Argyll

Address Crombies Land

Andrew Shaw head age 57 occ baker journeyman born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Margaret daughter age 13 born Glasgow
Hugh son age 10 born Glasgow
Andrew son age 9 born Lochgilphead, Argyllshire
Mary daughter age 6 born Lochgilphead, Argyllshire
George son age 4 born Bernera, Argyllshire
Peter son age 2 born Glasgow, Lanark

I will post the passenger list details later on for the family.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

This is Andrew Shaw born about 1834 occ baker with wife Mary and some of the children on the New York passenger list (son Andrew isnt with them).

Arrival date 3 Sept 1884
Port of departure Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
Port of arrival New York New York
Ship Bolivia
Place of origin Portree

Andrew and Mary Shaw with children:-

Sarah
Peter
Alex
Geo

1881

Civil parish Portree
County Invernesshire
Address 9 Stormy Hill

Andrew Shaw age 48 occ journeyman baker born Glasgow
Mary wife age 49 born Glasgow
Sarah daughter age 37 born Glasgow
Mary daughter age 17 born Lochgilphead, Argyleshire
Peter son age 14 born Glasgow
Alexander son age 10 born Glasgow
George son age 3 born Glasgow

 

[jimbo]

I spoke to my father tody and just like me, he has no idea of his paternal grandmother's maiden name. Although that would not really have much bearing on what I'm trying to do tracing my great grandfather's. thanks so much to all of you for helping me. I knwo very little about Scotland so I don't know the distinction between highlander and lowlander, that is to say is it a north-south distinction or one based on living in the mountains versus plains?

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jimbo,

You may need to go through the process of obtaining one of the childrens birth cetificates, I assume the mothers maiden name will be recorded, then the marriage certifcate for Andrew and Martha/Delia. I dont know what information would be on an American certificate. In England and Wales the fathers name and occupation is recorded on the marriage certifcate.