Ann BALL

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1875 Leigh 8c 278
BALL Ann
Glover George Henry
Hanesworth Kate
RIGBY Thomas

Looking for Ann's father's name and/or a rough age for Ann and/or pob.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[emeltee]

According to Lancs BMD the marriage either took place in a Registry Office or a Registrar attended so it possibly wasn't a C of E marriage. Could have been RC or nonconformist.

I can't find a child with the appropriate surnames registered in Leigh so they could be living anywhere which makes it very difficult to pin them down in a Census.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

I made no progress with it.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

A possible sister.

I think I've matched them.

TATLOCK, ELIZABETH ALICE - PROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 204

Marriages Sep 1863 Leigh 8c 215
BALL Jane
Proberts Ellen &
Tatlock Edward &
UNSWORTH John


Again looking for age and/or pob for Jane, to rule that marriage out.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find anything that fits in 1871 or 1881 by matching children in census to births on GRO and checking mmn against a marriage.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
HO107 Piece 2204 Folio 75 Page 21
Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Sub-RD: Lowton
ED: 2c
No of Schedule: 70
Address: Edge Green
Simeon Ball Head Mar 31 Miner Coal Golborne Lancashire
Nancy Ball Wife Mar 29 Lowton Lancashire
Jane Ball dau 11 Employed in Factory Lowton Lancashire
Amelia Ball dau 8 Scholar Golborne Lancashire
John Ball son 6 Golborne Lancashire
Sarah Ball dau 5 Golborne Lancashire
Mary Ball dau 1 Golborne Lancashire

This one not found yet after 1851.

Dave

 

[emeltee]

According to Lancs opc Simeon and Ann(Nancy) ball had 13 children between 1841 and 1860. Can't see a Jane but Amelia, John, Sarah and mary mentioned in the 1851 Census are all on the list. Also on the list is Ann baptised 1855 in Lowton.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Births Sep 1839 HODSON Jane Leigh 21 489 ms -

Baptism 11 Aug 1839 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire
Jane child of Ann Hodson, Silk Weaver Lowton

Dave

 

[emeltee]

In the 1861 Census RG09/2799/F72/p18 Simeon is a Widower.

Ann is living with her Uncle Hiram Ball and his wife Alice
RG09/2779/F15/p23


Simeon Ball baptised 1817 to William and Margaret
Hiram Ball baptised 1820 to William and Margaret

Quite a few entries for the family on lancs opc.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Yes, St Luke Lowton.

??
Marriage: 26 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
William Ball - Weaver, Leigh Parish
Margaret Branwood - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
Witness: James Lees; Timothy Taylor
Married by Banns by: Danl. Birkett Vicar
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1820, Page 167, Entry 501
Source: LDS Film 559188

That may not be the right marriage.

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 524/7 Folio 42 Page 32
Civil Parish: Winwick (with Hulme)
Hundred: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Warrington
Sub-RD: Newton in Makerfield
ED: 2
Address: Edge Green
William Ball 55 Collier Y
John 25 Collier Y
Hiram 20 Collier Y
Maria 15 Y
Israel 15 Collier Y
Amelia 12 Y
James 10 Y
Margaret 50 Y

Dave

 

[horse]

Checking out siblings/family there is this..

1861
Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
RD: Leigh
Sub-RD: Lowton
ED: 1; Piece: 2799; Folio: 12; Page: 18

Simeon Ball 47 [b. Golborne. Coal miner]
John Ball 16
Sarah Ball 15
Elizabeth Ball 8
Betsy Ball 5
Maria Ball 3
Simeon Ball 1 son [b. Golborne]
Joseph Ball 26

1881
County: Lancashire
Street address: 14 West Peel Street
RD: Salford
Sub RD: Regent Road
ED: 41; Piece: 3970; Folio: 58; Page: 34

William Johnson 34
Jane Johnson 41 [b. Golborne]
Albert E. Johnson 9
Martha A. Johnson 6
Amelia Johnson 3
Carrie Johnson 1
Simeon Ball 21 boarder [b. Golborne]
Thomas Hooson 45

Jane is correct age and PoB [Golborne & Lowton in Leigh RD], Simeon age fits for brother..

Not found a marriage yet

Geoff

 

[horse]

Jane is correct age and PoB [Golborne & Lowton in Leigh RD], Simeon age fits for brother..

Not found a marriage yet

Oh!

Not helpful, the offspring in 1881 mmn = Humphreys

Geoff

 

[horse]

Oh! Again

GRO:
JOHNSON, AMELIA
mmn = BALL
1878 Q3
SALFORD
Vol 08D Page 121

Geoff

 

[horse]

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
William Johnson
Marriage Date: 31 Jul 1870
Marriage Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Spouse: Jane Ball Or Humphreys

Geoff

EDIT:
Marriages Q3 1870
BROWN Charles
HUMPHREYS Jane
Johnson William
PEDDER Ann
Manchester
8d 268

 

[horse]

Oh!

Not helpful, the offspring in 1881 mmn = Humphreys

Probably used Humphreys in error

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

??
Marriages Jun Qtr 1861
HODSON Jane Wigan 8c 88
Humphreys Thomas Wigan 8c 88
Rimmer Ellen Wigan 8c 88
Shaw William Wigan 8c 88

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Jane Johnson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Salford, Lancashire, England
Enumeration District 32
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1841
Birthplace Lawton, Lancashire
Entry Number 23
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/4020/0025
William Johnson Head M 24 Woodley, Cheshire
Jane Johnson Wife F 30 Lawton, Lancashire

 

[DaveHam9]

1891
RG12 Piece 3970 Folio 58 Page 34
Civil Parish: Salford
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Salford
ED:
Address: Beswick St
JOHNSON William Head Mar 43 Carter Cheshire
JOHNSON Jane Wife Mar 52 Golborne Lancashire
JOHNSON Albert E Son 19 Number Saker on Railway ?? Salford Lancashire
JOHNSON Amelia Dau 13 Salford Lancashire
JOHNSON Carrie Dau 11 Scholar Lancashire


1901 ??

Deaths ??

Can't find either so far.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

??
Marriages Mar Qtr 1901
GREEN Oswald Harrison Salford 8d 158
HALSALL Ernest Salford 8d 158
JOHNSON Carrie Salford 8d 158
OPENSHAW Margaret Beatrice Salford 8d 158

Not on Lancs OPC.

Jane not with Carrie in 1901.

 

[emeltee]

1901
65 Lincoln Street, Patricroft, Eccles, Barton upon Irwell
William Johnson 54 Railway Carter Woodley, Ches
Jane Johnson wife 59 Lowton, Lancs
RG13/3661/f169/p28

Possible Deaths

Jane Johnson Sep 1901 Barton I. 8c 470 age 61 (yob 1840)
William Johnson Sep 1904 Barton I. 8c 411 age 55 (yob 1849)

Ages are out by a year or so but best I can find.

Emeltee