Ann SMITH

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Mar Qtr 1904
Blakeley Ann Chorlton 8c 585

Assuming RD Chorlton I'd like a look up please for possible matches in 1901 allowing for variations of the surname.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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Possible...

1901
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County: Lancashire

George W Boswell 48 [b. Manchester]
Hannah Boswell 47 [do]
William Boswell 21
Annie B Boswell 20
Agnes E Boswell 18
George Boswell 13
Ann Blakely 76 [Unm, aunt, b. Prestwich]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Interesting. I'm trying to find the death of this Ann. They have been living together since the 1881 census but I'm not sure they actually married. I can't find a marriage that fits.

1901
RG13 Piece 4015 Folio 19 Page 29
Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawcote and New Barns
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Barrow in Furness
Sub-RD: Barrow in Furness
ED: 31
Address: (School House), Sinkfall Lane End, Barrow In Furness
Household schedule number: 169
Thomas Blackley Head 74 Scotland ? [Ireland]
Ann Blackley 74


Thomas died 1915 in Paisley and his death certificate does not list Anne. Death of only spouse listed.

Deaths Dec Qtr 1863
Blackley Jennett Liverpool 8b 50

RD Liverpool - Sub-district St Martin - County Lancaster
No. 458 - Third December 1863 94 New Hedley Street - F - 34 years - Wife of Thomas Blackley Iron Moulder Journeyman - Cancer 15 months Certified - Thomas Blackley present at death 94 New Hedley Street Liverpool - Third December 1863 - Henry Shaw Deputy Registrar

Dave

 

[horse]

The 1891 census has her b. Northwich, Cheshire...

 

[horse]

1901

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County: Lancashire

Thomas Blackley 74 [b. Scotland. Ret. Iron worker]
Ann Blackley 74 [b. Northwich]

Nothing more apart from his occ.

 

[horse]

A possible..

Marriages Q2 1868
Blackley Thomas
McAvoy Catherine
Rigby Ann
Wilding William
Preston
8e 799

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

It's the last of the Smiths.

We have looked before and it's a real puzzle because Thomas was born Ireland.

This is my Thomas in 1871 and then 1915 death in Paisley. The 1881 - 1901 census I'm not sure about.

1871
RG10 Piece 3826 Folio 5 Page 4
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-RD: Toxteth Park
Address: 67 Westminster Road
Thomas Blackley lodger wid 38 Iron moulder Scotland ? [Ireland]
Thomas Blackley lodger 16 Railway clerk Liverpool
William Blackley 15 Shop errand boy Liverpool
Archibald Blackley 12 Liverpool

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll have to leave you with it Geoff.

I have an appointment I have to keep and not sure how many hours it will be.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah, would take some sorting I would guess...

Bye-bye SMITHS :biggrin:

 

[horse]

Ok, Dave... will have another look...

 

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1881
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County: Lancashire
Street Address: 14 Newland Street
RD: Barrow In Furness
Sub-RD: Barrow In Furness
ED: 1; Piece: 4285; Folio: 34; Page: 63

Mary Anne Richardson 31
Mary Ellen Richardson 8
John William Richardson 7
Mary Dow 71
Thomas Blackley 52 [Mar. Boarder. b. Paisley. Iron Moulder]
Annie Blackley 54 [Mar. Boarder. b. Northwich. Monthly Nurse (wet)]

1891
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Barrow
County: Lancashire
RD: Barrow In Furness
Sub-RD: Barrow in Furness
ED: 10; Piece: 3484; Folio: 43; Page: 23

Thomas Blackley 63 [b. Scotland. Iron Moulder]
Annie Blackley 64 [b. Northwich]
William Cook 27 [Lodger]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

That's the census Geoff and it says they are married.

Son Archibald was the informant so I don't understand why there is no mention of Ann on the death certificate. Archibald didn't know his father remarried and lived with Ann for over 20 years? Or he knew they lived together but knew they were not married? Or it's a different Thomas Blackley. The spelling of the name in the census with Ann is as it should be as if it was my Thomas. So why born Scotland when it's Ireland for sure?

Where is Thomas in 1911?

Where and when did Ann die?

How do I know Ann's maiden name is SMITH?

 

[horse]

That them Geoff and it says they are married.

How do I know Ann's maiden name is SMITH?

Marriages Q2 1875
BLAKELEY Thomas
BRADWELL Hannah
SMITH Ann
Swindells John
Manchester
8d 264

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Well Geoff.

Parents are John BLACKLEY and Isabella McGUIRE.

1875 Marriage in Parish of Manchester in the County of Lancashire
No. 260 - April 25th 1875
Thomas Blackeley - 21 - Bachelor - Surryman ? - 41 Port Street - William Blakeley - Brushmaker
Ann Smith - 18 - Spinster - - 17 Corporation St Hyde Road - Andrew Smith - Tailor
after Banns By me H C Smith
Thomas signed - Mark x of Ann Smith
Witnesses: George Andrew, Sarah Ann Elliss Andrew

 

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And one for the road.. :2fun:

Marriages Q4 1877
Best Joseph
BLACKLER Thomas
Jones Amelia Winifred
Smith Annie Margaret
West Derby
8b 473

 

[horse]

Well Geoff.

Parents are John BLACKLEY and Isabella McGUIRE.

1875 Marriage in Parish of Manchester in the County of Lancashire
No. 260 - April 25th 1875
Thomas Blackeley - 21 - Bachelor - Surryman ? - 41 Port Street - William Blakeley - Brushmaker
Ann Smith - 18 - Spinster - - 17 Corporation St Hyde Road - Andrew Smith - Tailor
after Banns By me H C Smith
Thomas signed - Mark x of Ann Smith
Witnesses: George Andrew, Sarah Ann Elliss Andrew

Hmmm... discounts that then

 

[DaveHam9]

Yeah, that's one I had to purchase to see if it was the right marriage.

No sign of Thomas in England in 1911 so my guess is that he returned to Scotland when Ann died. So, if they didn't marry Ann's death could be under another name.

I'll keep returning to this hoping to find something because this is direct line on other side of Hamilton.

 

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Yeah, that's one I had to purchase to see if it was the right marriage.

No sign of Thomas in England in 1911 so my guess is that he returned to Scotland when Ann died. So, if they didn't marry Ann's death could be under another name.

I'll keep returning to this hoping to find something because this is direct line on other side of Hamilton.

She could have gone to Scotland with him and died there before 1915

Ann's death would then be under SMITH if * another name

Edit: * Not another name..

 

[DaveHam9]

They lived in Lancashire for a long time I doubt they went together to live in Scotland.

There seems to be no other Iron moulder born Scotland to make it 2x Thomas.

I have no note in my tree re the source of the name SMITH. I would have changed it to Unknown after I received the copy of the 1875 marriage but haven't so I presume the name came from an on-line tree.

 

[DaveHam9]

I've not looked in 1881 yet for that Thomas BLACKER and Annie margaret.