Annie Harrison

[dennis ward]

I recently sent off for a copy of my father's birth certificate.

It shows the name Joseph Thomas born June 8th 1905 in West Derby, Liverpool.

His mother was shown as Annie Harrison of 147 Smithdown Road, Liverpool but the father's name was absent. The 1911 shows nobody at this address, so if somebody could help me with any more information I would gladly appreciate it. My surname is Ward, so some time later my father's and possibly his mother's surname were changed to that.

 

[benny1982]

Hi Dennis

A warm welcome to FHUK forums.

When you say Joseph Thomas, was Thomas his middle name or was that his surname he was registered under? Was it actually Joseph Thomas Harrison?

Ben

 

[dennis ward]

Hi Dennis

A warm welcome to FHUK forums.

When you say Joseph Thomas, was Thomas his middle name or was that his surname he was registered under? Was it actually Joseph Thomas Harrison?

Ben

Thanks for the welcome.

I have one very old short birth certificate which says 'Joseph Thomas Harrison Ward' but without any other information. I have no idea when this was issued.

I sent off for the full one recently and this has 'Joseph Thomas' under Name and Annie Harrison (housekeeper) under Mother, residing at 147 Smithdown Road.

Both have the same date of birth and both were registered at West Derby,
Liverpool on the 29th June 1905.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dennis,

Looking at the 1911 census index there is a Thomas Joseph Ward born 1904 in the district of West Derby also putting Annie in as other household member brought this one up. To view household transcripts cost 10 credits to see the census image costs 30 credits, this is on the findmypast site.

 

[dennis ward]

Hi Dennis,

Looking at the 1911 census index there is a Thomas Joseph Ward born 1904 in the district of West Derby also putting Annie in as other household member brought this one up. To view household transcripts cost 10 credits to see the census image costs 30 credits, this is on the findmypast site.

Thanks Julie. Yes I have already come across this one. It is 6 Horne Street Liverpool but as you say the date (1904) is wrong but also the mother is Mary Ward.

The Annie you found there is also only 6 months old.

 

[juliejtp]

Thats a shame, have you tried an address search on the 1901 census?

 

[dennis ward]

Thats a shame, have you tried an address search on the 1901 census?

That will have to be my next step I expect.

 

[dennis ward]

I just looked using findmypast but there appears to be no entry for 147 Smithdown Road on the address search.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dennis,

On the full birth certificate does it say formerly Harrision for Annie?

 

[dennis ward]

No. It just says 'Annie Harrison a housekeeper' under Name of mother and 'A Harrison mother 147 Smithdown Road' under signature.

The father is left blank.

I can't understand though why I can't find anybody living at 147 Smithdown Road. Maybe the address was fictitious or maybe it had a name?

 

[dennis ward]

I have just found this link which is very interesting indeed.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-LIVERPOOL/2001-12/1007818746

145 Glasstone Chas. picture frame makr
147 Winter Mrs. L'Inor costumier
147 Rooney Mrs. Emily midwife
151 Robinson Vicars watchmaker

There was a midwife living at 147. So I can only assume the baby was born there with the midwife's help.

But It doesn't help me one bit in finding any more information.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dennis,

Found this in 1901

252/254 Smithdown Lane


James Harrison head age 52 occ manager public house born Liverpool
Elsie A wife age 46 born Liverpool
Bessie dau age 21 occ dressmaker born Ferry Rock cheshire
Eliza dau age 19 occ -----born Ferry Rock
Alice dau age 16 occ shop asst born Ferry Rock
Annie dau age 14 born Liverpool
James son age 8 born Secombe cheshire

Thought Elsie should have been Eliza, as she is transcribed as Eliza in 1891 and James occupation is a traveller.

 

[marymog]

Hi There

just found this on the web,(googled balfour institute smithdown road) i have cut away from number 1 to 94

******quote******

Below is the first part of Smithdown Road from the back of Old Ordnance
Survey Map for Allerton about 1905.
Sorry, but I don't have any further information about the occupants.

SMITHDOWN ROAD (about 1905)

95 Beehive Laundry
97 Jones William gasfitter & plumber
99 Black & White tea merchants
Cantsfield st
103 Graham George dining rooms
105 Pinkard Miss Frances milliner
107 Banister Mrs. Harriet Jane tobaccnst
109 Crosbie Mrs. Eliza fancy draper
111 Rowlands mrs. H. tallow chandler
Tunstall st
117 The Balfour Institute
Hammtt Wm. Henry caretaker
Garrick st
123 Ronayne James Francis, L.R.C.P. & S.I. physician
125 Ellison Alfred greengrocery
133 Walters Misses Jessie Margaret & Mary milliners
139 Wyatt Misses Alice & Ada ladies' outfitters
145 Glasstone Chas. picture frame makr
147 Winter Mrs. L'Inor costumier
147 Rooney Mrs. Emily midwife *******

Maybe the answer.

mm

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dennis,

Maybe something or not.

There is a Joseph Ward born Ireland listed as brother in 1901 at Cardwell Street, Cardwell Street is off of Smithdown Lane.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&r...TkCA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1

 

[dennis ward]

Hi Dennis,

Found this in 1901

252/254 Smithdown Lane


James Harrison head age 52 occ manager public house born Liverpool
Elsie A wife age 46 born Liverpool
Bessie dau age 21 occ dressmaker born Ferry Rock cheshire
Eliza dau age 19 occ -----born Ferry Rock
Alice dau age 16 occ shop asst born Ferry Rock
Annie dau age 14 born Liverpool
James son age 8 born Secombe cheshire

Thought Elsie should have been Eliza, as she is transcribed as Eliza in 1891 and James occupation is a traveller.

Thanks a lot, Julie. I have just looked on the google map and Smithdown Lane is near to Smithdown Road. The date for Annie also looks very promising. She would have been about 18/19 when my father was born.

 

[dennis ward]

Hi Dennis,

Maybe something or not.

There is a Joseph Ward born Ireland listed as brother in 1901 at Cardwell Street, Cardwell Street is off of Smithdown Lane.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&r...TkCA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1

This is also possible as I have been told at least one of my father's parents had some link to Ireland. Do you have an age for this Joseph Ward, please?

 

[dennis ward]

Mary, I think we may have been looking at the same list. But thanks anyway.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dennis,

1901

Civil parish West Derby
RD West Derby
Sub RD West Derby Western

81, Cardwell Street

John Ward head age 26 occ coal ------ born Liverpool
Hugh Ward brother age 25 occ lab joiner born Liverpool
Theresa Ward sister age 21 occ blouse maker born Ireland
Joseph Ward brother age 21 occ coal ----- born Ireland
Mary J Ward sister age 13 born Ireland

 

[marymog]

Hi Dennis

I think I may have found them on the 1911

Marriages Jun 1905
HARRISON Annie - WARD Ernest - Leeds 9b/ 969



1911 census has them living in Leeds

ERNEST WARD 1871 age 40
ANNE WARD 1886 age 25
THOMAS HARRISON WARD 1906 age 5
HILDA WARD 1907 age 4
KATE WARD 1909 age 2


could be worth a check

mm

 

[dennis ward]

Wow Mary that is interesting. At first I discarded this but having thought more about it you could well be right. It would fit in more or less with the age of Annie (from Liverpool) and my father.

And I do remember visiting people in Leeds when I was a lad.

I will ask my aunt (mother's side) if she knows anything about this possibility.

Thank you very much.