Annie MANTON

[DaveHam9]

Name: Annie Manton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Newington, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-District: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Marys
Parish: Newington
County: London, Middlesex

Probably this one although it seems she didn't use her middle name in Australia:

Births Dec Qtr 1883
MANTON Annie Maude St. Saviour 1d 185


I'd like that household please and a look up for Annie in 1901. Possibly arrived in Australia in 1906.

I can't find Annie in 1901 census on FS. And I can't find her arriving in 1906.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

One tree has this as her death:

Death 16254/1977 GALLERY ANNIE - JOHN - MARY ANN


Marriages Jun Qtr 1882
MANTON John Kensington 1a 46
MITCHELL Mary Ann Kensington 1a 46

 

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1891 - Ref & Household
ED: 11; Piece: 366; Folio: 20; Page: 33

James Manton 38 [b. Clapton. Boot maker]
Elizabeth Manton 41 [b. Hackney]
Eleanor Manton 22 [b. Walworth]
Sarah Manton 20 [do]
James Manton 18 [do]
William Manton 15 [do]
Albert Manton 11 [b. Newington]
Jane Manton 9 [do]
Annie Manton 7 [do]

Geoff

 

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One tree has this as her death:

Death 16254/1977 GALLERY ANNIE - JOHN - MARY ANN

Looks like that death can be discounted..

Geoff

 

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Can only find one tree and that stops at 1891

 

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Possible sibling...

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Albert Richard Manton
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Age at enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: Walworth
Birth County: Surrey
Document Year: 1897
Regimental Number: 4693
Regiment Name: Royal Defence Corps
[Image says he absconded a couple of times. Occ: Shopman]

Geoff

 

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Possible for James Sr. in 1901..

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Antholin
County: London
RD: Camberwell
Sub-RD: Peckham
ED: 22; Piece: 507; Folio: 98; Page: 7

William J Griffiths 43 [b. Shoreditch. Coach Smith]
Sarah Griffiths 49 wife [b. Hacney]
James Manton 48 B-i-L [b. Dalston. Boot maker]
Rachel Griffiths 37 sister [b. Hackney. Own means]

Geoff

 

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I haven't found any bap. for the Manton offspring

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I don't know what bits to believe.

If the 1906 arrival is correct then Annie is in England in 1901.

If that's not her death in 1977 then where is the birth of that one?

If the 1891 census has the right Annie with parents then where is her death?

 

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This is the closest arrival that I can see..

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Miss Manton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 24
Arrival Date: 1 Nov 1909
Arrival Port: Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Wakool

Geoff

 

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Thanks Geoff.

I don't know what bits to believe.

If the 1906 arrival is correct then Annie is in England in 1901.

If that's not her death in 1977 then where is the birth of that one?

If the 1891 census has the right Annie with parents then where is her death?

Like you, Dave... there just doesn't seem to be any corroborating facts

 

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Oh! Another one...

Miss Manton
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 9 Apr 1908
Vessel Name: Mongolia

 

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If the 1906 arrival is correct then Annie is in England in 1901.

Interesting point, but I haven't been able to find her

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Working from this marriage what can be found?

Marriages Jun Qtr 1882
MANTON John Kensington 1a 46
MITCHELL Mary Ann Kensington 1a 46

 

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John Manton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 25
Spouse: Mary Ann Mitchell
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Apr 1882
Parish: Notting Hill St Clement
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Matthew Manton
Spouse Father: Thomas Mitchell
Register Type: Parish Register
[Neither mar. before. John was a carman, his father a butler. Thomas was an innkeeper]

1891 - most likely and traceable to 1911
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County: London
RD: Wandsworth
Sub-RD: East Battersea
ED: 37; Piece: 427; Folio: 44; Page: 14

John Manton 34 [b. Paddington. Horse keeper, groom]
Mary A Manton 34 [b. Weymouth, Dorset]
Cecilia Manton 8
Mary A Manton 5
Leonard R Manton 4
Fredk I Manton 17 Months
[Offspring all b. Lambeth]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So, no daughter Annie.

Is Mary A still Mary A in later census?


Does this one belong with James the boot maker & Elizabeth? Age 7 would fit. And Newington fits as well.

Births Dec 1883
MANTON Annie Maude St. Saviour 1d 185


Born London, Middlesex and Surrey 1881 - 1890 only one other:

Births Mar 1881
MANTON Annie Elizabeth Holborn 1b 781

 

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Is Mary A still Mary A in later census?

Does this one belong with James the boot maker & Elizabeth?

Births Dec Qtr 1883
MANTON Annie Maude St. Saviour 1d 185

Mary A Jr. still there 1901, can't see her after 1901. Edit: Yes still Mary A

I couldn't find any bap. for the boot maker's offspring, I'll check through them again..

Geoff

 

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I couldn't find any bap. for the boot maker's offspring, I'll check through them again..

Geoff

Still no luck, even checked for RG4 and nothing

 

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This discounts Annie Maud

FS
Annie Maude Manton
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1891
Registration District: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Event Place: St. Saviour Southwark, London, England
Age (available after 1866): 7
Birth Year (Estimated): 1884
Volume: 1D
Page: 94
Line Number: 67

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So if we believe the tree 'Annie' arrived in 1906 and this is her parents marriage:

Marriages Jun 1882
MANTON John Kensington 1a 46
MITCHELL Mary Ann Kensington 1a 46

and fits with:

Death 16254/1977 GALLERY ANNIE - JOHN - MARY ANN

One tree says Tamworth and the other death at Manly.