Annie SHIELDS

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Marriages Dec 1863
Gandon Zaccheus Lewisham 1d 1077
GAUDON Zaccheus Lewisham 1d 1077
Shields Annie Lewisham 1d 1077

Name: Zaccheus Gandon (widower) Letter Carrier
Age: Full Age
Est birth year:
Spouse Name: Annie Shields
Date: 23 Nov 1863
Parish: St Mary
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Peter Gandon (Dec), Occ. Builder
Spouse Father Name: William Shields, Occ. Painter

Zaccheus was born in 1812 but I'd say 2nd spouse Annie was not as old.

Deaths Dec 1869
Gandon Zaccheus 57 Greenwich 1d 571

I can't find a tree. Too many William SHIELDS but we know he was alive in 1863.

Looking for anything more on Annie. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[woodlander]

Not much luck Dave, have e mailed re marriage.
Searched using witnesses at marriage as well but no joy.

HELP - sorry to hack your post Dave but mt NEW POST/TOPIC icon has disappeared

Just wanted to wish all Mother's a good day - it's Mother's Day today in UK

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Woody,

Thank you very much.

I had no idea Annie was from Dartmouth. Not even sure if she was born there or just living there prior to marriage. But it's great to see the original of the marriage.

No idea where your 'Start a New Thread' button has gone. I can see it on my browser.

I was hoping William the painter could be found in 1861 and earlier.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Looking for an Annie SHIELDS born 1815-1847 in Devon with father = William zero in FS.


Ah, ha. Blackneath Hill and Dartmouth Hill, Greenwich/Lewisham area.

Closest so far:

Mary Ann Shields
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 Sep 1837 West Peckham, Kent, Eng
residence: West Peckham, Kent, England
parents: William Shields, Hannah

 

[horse]

Looking for an Annie SHIELDS born 1815-1847 in Devon with father = William zero in FS.


Ah, ha. Blackneath Hill and Dartmouth Hill, Greenwich/Lewisham area.

Closest so far:

Mary Ann Shields
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 Sep 1837 West Peckham, Kent, Eng
residence: West Peckham, Kent, England
parents: William Shields, Hannah

Hi Dave

If you are sure William (father) was alive when they married it may discount the above, Hannah is listed as a widow in 1851. I would say that 'deceased' is not always noted on the marriage entries, I notice that it doesn't on this occasion, so you would expect him to be alive.

1851 England Census
Name: Hannah Shields
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Cowton North, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Kiplin
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northallerton
Sub-registration district: Appleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Name Age
Hannah Shields 44 [widow, b. abt. 1807 Cowton, Yorkshire]
Mary Ann Shields 13 [b. abt. 1838 Peckham West, Kent]

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks. That may or may not be the right one. You are correct re marriages not always listing as deceased those who are. I know it's correct in saying Peter had died and I decided to look assuming William was still alive in 1863.

If no painter William can be found in Kent/London/Middlesex in 1861 then I'd say we are stuck.

Dave

 

[horse]

Trees have no more info than we do...

I've just found this, on the face of it no more either, but there may a be clue somewhere. I was wondering if there was a will for Zacheus, may be a snippet about Ann/ie there.

http://www.swaythlinglawn.co.uk/GANDON.htm

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I know of that site and have been in contact with the author, mainly to pass on info re the Australian branch of the family.

Dave

 

[woodlander]

Playing catch up Dave, out all day - Peter dec but no dec by William's name in the register suggests he's alive but the only painter I found was way out in area/age etc.

I'm away now for a week so look forward to seeing how you get on with it when I'm back. Good luck

 

[horse]

I notice Amelia Gandon d. 1855...

This looks interesting:
1881 England Census about Ann Gandon
Name: Ann Gandon
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Limerick, Ireland
Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 23 Glass House St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Seamstress
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 15b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 592
Folio: 119
Page Number: 15
Name Age
Ann Gandon 53
Rechar Gandon 26, b. Lambeth
John Gandon 20, b. Lambeth
Patrick Gandon 18, b. Lambeth

There are a couple of possible births for John as 'Shields' but not the other two. Rechar aged 26 would be a concern, born around the death year of Amelia.

Perhaps too much of a long shot

 

[DaveHam9]

Playing catch up Dave, out all day - Peter dec but no dec by William's name in the register suggests he's alive but the only painter I found was way out in area/age etc.

I'm away now for a week so look forward to seeing how you get on with it when I'm back. Good luck

Ok, thanks Woody. Have fun.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks. That looks very interesting.

Brother Isaac married Sarah and then Isabel so no Ann there.

Sister Hannah married John Joseph RELF but she died 1863.

 

[DaveHam9]

There are GANDONS in Ireland that have not been connected to the Kent family.

One was a famous architect.

 

[horse]

Yeah, possibly how her parents came across (I wont say William at this stage)

 

[DaveHam9]

No sign of Rechar, John and Patrick on the tree.

Can we find a death for the Ann in the 1881 census or find her in 1891?

 

[horse]

I'n not too hopeful with this one, I can only find one Ann Shiels, b. 1831 Limerick, her father is not William.

 

[horse]

Can't find a death or a marriage in Hampshire (except in 1902, but she would be about 70y).

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

If there is no sign of Ann/Annie in 1871 we still don't know if we are dealing with one or two.

Age is a bit out:

Deaths Mar 1916
Gandon John 53 Lewisham 1d 1349

Oh.

Births Jun 1862
GANDON John Peterbro' 3b 217


Marriages Sep 1889
Gandon John Lewisham 1d 1571 **
Johansson Anton Leonard Lewisham 1d 1571
Nicolson Elizabeth Lewisham 1d 1571
WHIFFEN Catherine Louisa Lewisham 1d 1571 **

 

[horse]

No, I can't find here in 1871 or 1891

 

[horse]

There's no sign of Ann in 1861 with Zaccheus either, so perhaps the 1881 census remains interesting only