another John ARROLL

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Piece: SCT1841/622 Place: Barony -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 13A
Civil Parish: Barony Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Shettleston
Folio: 191 Page: 3
Address: Burgher Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
AROLL John M 56 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Lanarkshire
AROLL Agness F 40 Lanarkshire
AROLL Walter M 18 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Jrnymn Lanarkshire
AROLL John M 13 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Appr Lanarkshire
AROLL James M 4 Lanarkshire
AROLL Janet F 14 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Lanarkshire
AROLL Mary F 6 Lanarkshire

I'd like a look up please for this family in 1851.

John died 15 Oct 1858 at 11 McEwan street Bridgeton, Lanark aged 75.

AROL, AROLL, ARROL, ARROLL, ARRAL, ARAL, ARALL, EARL...

I suspect this is not the John in my tree so if he is the informant for the death of his father Walter then the author of a book on the family has made a huge mistake. According to the Paisley Paupers index John died before 17 Feb 1853 and has not been found in 1841 or 1851. Spouse Ann is head of the house in Paisley in 1841 and listed as a widow in 1851. Remotely possible that spouse John was in Lanark in 1841.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

There you go

John Arroll
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes Arroll
Gender: Male
Where born: Barony, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Calton
Town: Glasgow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 11 Mcewan St
Occupation: Weaver
ED: 48
Page: 16 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_147
Household Members: Name Age
John Arroll 65
Agnes Arroll 54
Janet Arroll 25
John Arroll 22
Mary Arroll 17
James Arroll 14
Wm Gray 89
Georg Gray 50

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

I cannot possibly see how that John who died at 11 McEwan street could possibly be the spouse of Ann nee TYTLER:


1841
Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 20
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 42 Page: 27
Address: 5 Neilson St
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ARROL Christina F 50 Renfrewshire [Ann]
ARROL William M 20 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire
ARROL Christina F 15 Renfrewshire
ARROL Janet F 10 Renfrewshire
- Elisabeth F 15 Renfrewshire Surname: not recorded
- Mary F 10 Renfrewshire Surname: not recorded

1851
Piece: SCT1851/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 25
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 475 Page: 7 Schedule: 29
Address: 1 Neilston St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ARROL Ann Head W F 59 Embrdrer Ctn Clth(Muslin Swr) Renfrewshire - Paisley
ARROL William Son U M 33 Weaver:harness:handloom Renfrewshire - Paisley
ARROL Elesebeth Dau U F 22 Threadmill(Ctn): Winder Wrkr Renfrewshire - Paisley


Index to Paupers 1839-1883 - Series 11 Vol 11/1-11/20
Statement #6478 17 Feb 1853 Angell Samuel
Statement:
Samuel Angel age 27 and wife aged 26 of Charleston Abbey - Samuel 2 1/2 and John 5/12
Place of Birth: 99 Causetside - Can read - cannot write
Parents: Thomas Angel Dead Mary Clark Dead
John Arrol Dead Ann Tytler Alive

 

[barbarajoh]

Can't fault your logic there Dave:biggrin:

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

The John who died in McEwan street was the informant for the death of his father Walter. (Walter married a Mary - date unknown).

Ann TYTLER married John - the fiche in Paisley Library has 20 May

FR1712 20 May 1815 Low Church, Paisley

Marriage 10 April 1815 (Abbey)
John Arrol of this parish and Ann Tytler of Paisley, were booked and proclaimed in order to marriage.

Ann's parents are William & Christina

Known children:

William b. abt 1820
James b. abt 1822
Christian/Christina b. abt 1823
Janet b. abt 1824
Elizabeth b. abt 1828
Mary b. abt 1831

I agree it's possible William was not the first born but that pattern does not point to John's parents being Walter & Mary.

It seems there is no likely birth/baptism in the records for my John. Unlikely to be the son of a Duncan & Rose of Greenock.

 

[barbarajoh]

No if they followed the patterns either his father was William too or there was another boy before William. Looks like his mother was prob Janet?

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

I wish I knew for sure if any children were born before William.

Walter & Mary or Duncan & Rose and no others seem to fit date and place. So stuck with not knowing John's parents.