Another VERNON family

[DaveHam9]

I'd like a look up please for a James VERNON, spouse Barbara and son John in 1851.

Births Mar Qtr 1845
VERNON John Poole 8 85

Obituary says John was born in England and that he arrived in Australia abt 1854. I have not found the marriage of his parents yet but I suspect James and Barbara were born in Scotland. Others in the family were Tea merchants.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Is Barbara coming from the obituary or death? Looks like it could be wrong as the only Barbara is unmarried in the 1851 unless Ellen is his second wife?

Barbara


VERNON, James Head Married M 40 1811 Brush Mans Sachina Master
Scotland VIEW
VERNON, Ellen Wife Married F 34 1817 Employing 12 Men
Poole, Dorset VIEW
VERNON, Donald Son Unmarried M 11 1840 Scholar
Southampton, Hants VIEW
VERNON, James Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Scholar
Parkstone, Dorset VIEW
VERNON, Margaret E Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843 Scholar
Parkstone, Dorset VIEW
VERNON, John Son Unmarried M 6 1845 Scholar
Parkstone, Dorset VIEW

Piece:1855

Folio:147

Page: 4

Registration District: Poole

Civil Parish: St James Poole

Municipal Borough:

Address: High Street, St James Poole

County: Dorsetshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thanks.

The obituary for John Dixon, former NSW Auditor-General, 1924:

Deceased was 79, and came to Australia aged 9. Spouse died about 20 months earlier, hence these are the death reg:

NSW Death 4256/1923 VERNON MARY - JAMES - EUPHEMIA M - HORNSBY

NSW Death 8248/1924 VERNON JOHN - JAMES - BARBARA - HORNSBY

So, I don't know yet. The informant could have made an error or James married twice. This is a related family so I think Dorset is correct:

1841
HO107 Piece 294 Book/Folio 1/33 Page 4
Civil Parish: Blandford Forum
County: Dorset
Registration District: Blandford
ED: 2
Address:
John Vernon Head 30 Grocer Scotland
Janet Vernon 25 Scotland
Alexander Vernon 20 Tea Dealer Scotland
James Milbroy 20
Thomas Milbroy 15
James McWilliam 15
Mary Ann James 20
Janet Menzies 3 Dorset


Mary nee MENZIES.

Euphemia nee VERNON. Middle name M= Murray.

Marriage 1361/1871 VERNON JOHN - MENZIES MARY - CONCORD

Mary's mother was a VERNON and Mary married a VERNON.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

James MENZIES & Euphemia VERNON
6 Oct 1829 Saint Peter Dorchester, Dorset


Unassisted to Victoria:

VERNON DONALD 13 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001
VERNON ELLEN 36 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001
VERNON JAMES 12 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001
VERNON JAMES 43 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001
VERNON JOHN 8 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001
VERNON MARGARET 10 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001
VERNON MATILDA 17 OCT 1853 ROYAL STUART B 054 001

 

[horse]

Marriages Sep 1849

Brown Ellen Poole 8 137
Hibbs George Poole 8 137
Seaman Elizabeth Poole 8 137
Smith Joseph Poole 8 137
Vernon James Poole 8 137
Wheeler Sarah Poole 8 137

 

[DaveHam9]

A brother of Euphemia:

Deaths
3989/1894 VERNON JAMES - JOHN - EUPHEMIA - BURWOOD

11985/1895 MENZIES EUPHEMIA M - JOHN - EUPHEMIA - BURWOOD

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So it looks like a 2nd marriage for James.

But can't find a death in England for a Barbara.

 

[DaveHam9]

Ellen Brown
birth: 14 June 1816
christening: 22 September 1816 SKINNER STREET-INDEPENDENT,POOLE,DORSET,ENGLAND
father: John Brown
mother: Sarah


Ellen might have died in Victoria. Don't know yet when they came to NSW.

Deaths:
251/1876 VERNON ELLEN - THOMAS - REBECCA - SYDNEY * not this one - Thomas is still alive
4123/1880 VERNON ELLEN - FRANCIS - ELLEN - REDFERN
3204/1909 VERNON ELLEN - JOHN - ELIZA - RYDE
25020/1919 VERNON ELLEN - RICHARD N - MARY A - BURWOOD * aged 81 widow of Donald

Others not in Ryerson

I'd go for the one in Ryde with an error for her mother's name.

 

[DaveHam9]

Why have I got VERNON - MENZIES - DIXON in my tree.

Oh. Marriage to SANDS and connection to FURNER. Good enough reason. :2fun:

 

[horse]

Why have I got VERNON - MENZIES - DIXON in my tree.

Oh. Marriage to SANDS and connection to FURNER. Good enough reason. :2fun:

You been hitting that Hunter Valley wine again? :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Not today. :biggrin:

It looks like a 2nd marriage for James.

I don't know the connection between the 2 VERNON familes yet.

We have Euphemia VERNON born abt 1811:

Death 11985/1895 MENZIES EUPHEMIA M - JOHN - EUPHEMIA - BURWOOD

MENZIES Euphemia Murray Death notice 31DEC1895 Death 84 at Burwood SMH 03JAN1896

Death of brother James:

3989/1894 VERNON JAMES - JOHN - EUPHEMIA - BURWOOD

By the 1851 census James was born abt 1811 also.

That's one VERNON family originally from Scotland we don't have in 1841.

--------------------------
This is the other family:

1841
HO107 Piece 294 Book/Folio 1/33 Page 4
Civil Parish: Blandford Forum
County: Dorset
Registration District: Blandford
ED: 2
Address:
John Vernon Head 30 Grocer Scotland
Janet Vernon 25 Scotland
Alexander Vernon 20 Tea Dealer Scotland
James Milbroy 20
Thomas Milbroy 15
James McWilliam 15
Mary Ann James 20
Janet Menzies 3 Dorset

 

[DaveHam9]

Looks like Hampshire in 1841 Geoff.

Name: James Vernon
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birthplace: Scotland
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Southampton
Sub-District: Southampton
Parish: St Mary
County: Hampshire

 

[horse]

1841 Hants.

Civil Parish: St Mary
Hundred: Southampton Town
County: Hampshire
RD: Southampton
Sub-RD: Southampton
HO107; Piece: 417; Book: 2; ED: 3; Folio: 6; Page: 7

James Vernon 32 [b. Scotland, Occ: Draper]
Mary Vernon 29 [Unsure if BIC, diff to read]
Matilda Vernon 6 [do]
Marya Vernon 4 [b. Hampshire]
Donald Vernon 2 [do]
James Vernon 6 Mo [do]

Geoff

Edit: Blowing the image up, Mary and Matilda not BIC

 

[horse]

Matilda Vernon
Event Type: Baptism
Father: James Vernon
Mother: Mary Vernon
Baptism Date: 10 May 1835
Baptism Place: Blandford Forum, Dorset, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 531: Blandford Forum (Independent), 1818-1836
[Image says father = Tea dealer, Add: Market Place]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Civil Parish: Westbury on Trym
County: Gloucestershire
RD: Clifton
Sub-RD: Westbury
ED: 1b
HO107; Piece: 1955; Folio: 48; Page: 4

Matilda Vernon 16 [b. Blandford]
Mariana Vernon 14 [b. Southampton]

The girls are in School

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So it looks as though Barbara is an error in death reg.

Yes, drapers and tea dealers.

So the question now: Is James a brother of John, Janet & Alexander 1841 Blandford and William:

1851
Glastonbury, Somerset
William Vernon Postmaster & Grocer born abt 1815 Scotland
Mary Ann wife
Address: Glastonbury St John and St Benedict.

1861 in Dorchester Tea Dealer and Draper Born abt 1816 Scotland


James abt 1809
Euphemia abt 1811
John abt 1811 or earlier
Janet abt 1816 or earlier
William abt 1816
Alexander abt 1820 or earlier

Parents should be John VERNON & Euphemia (MURRAY ?)

 

[horse]

So the question now: Is James a brother of John, Janet & Alexander 1841 Blandford and William:

Just can't link them at present

 

[DaveHam9]

John Vernon
christening: 6 November 1806 Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright
father: John Vernon
mother: Euphemia Conchie

James Vernon
christening: 19 March 1809 Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright
father: John Vernon
mother: Euphemia Conchie

Andrew Vernon
christening: 31 August 1813 Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright
father: John Vernon
mother: Euphemia Conchie

Alexander Vernon
christening: 10 July 1818 Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright
father: John Vernon
mother: Euphemia Conchie


We know there was a daughter Euphemia born abt 1811.

 

[horse]

Looks good.. :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll leave it there for now.

Catch you later Geoff.