Any suggestions. Rook & Clarke.

[ladybird]

Hello, I am new to this site.
I started researching my Family History over 20 years ago, & am still adding bits every so often.
I come back to family members that I have given up on in the past.
One being my 3 x Great Grandfather John Rook he is shown on his son's (George Rook) marriage certificate to Victoria Constance Clarke in 1863 as a Clockmaker. They were married at St James Church in Shoreditch London.
I have never been able to find where John Rook was born or who he was married to. On the 1851 census he is shown as living at Boston Street Shoredith married to a Sarah(surname not known) born Middlesex occupation Clockmaker, but apart from that I have no other leads.
So along with this family, & my Crowleys from West Cork who are another mystery, I try with difficulty to go back further.
Has anybody ever come across a clockmaker called John Rook?
Thanks

 

[p.risboy]

If I have the right George Rook, he was born c1833. Bethnal Green.

Victoria Rook(nee. Clarke), was born c1844. Holborn, London. (Father - George Clarke).

Would this be right.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1851 census.

George Rook
Age: 16
abt 1835

Father - John Rook
Mother - Sarah Rook
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Born - Bethnal Green, Middlesex.
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone
Middlesex

Address - 11 Boston Street.

Reg dist - Shoreditch
Sub-reg dist - Haggerstone East
ED-6

John Rook 56. b.Bethnal Green. Occ. Clockmaker.
Sarah Rook 55. b.Rotherhithe, Surrey.
John Rook 19. b.Bethnal Green. Occ. Cordwainer journeyman.
George Rook 16. Occ. Cordwainer journeyman.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1881 Census.

George Rook
Age: 48
abt 1833.

Spouse-Victoria Rook

Born - Bethnal Gn, Middlesex.
Civil parish: Walthamstow
Essex.
Address - 14 Mark House Place

Occ - Porter (as on marriage cert).

Reg district: West Ham
Sub-reg dist-Walthamstow
ED-3

George Rook 48
Victoria Rook 37
Jessie Rook 13
George Rook 11
William Rook 9
John Rook 2


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963.

George Rook
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1839
Residence Date: 31 Dec 1871
Station: Crystal Palace
Company: London, Brighton and South Coast
Class Number: 414
Piece: 763
Description: Register of staff in all departments.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

John Rook
Spouse - Sarah White
Record Type: Marriage
18 Oct 1827
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1841 census.

John Rook
Age: 45
abt 1796
Born - Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
Middlesex

Address - 29 Virginia Road.

Reg dist - Bethnal Green
Sub-reg dist - Hackney Road

John Rook 45
Sarah Rook 40
K Rook 10
John Rook 10
George Rook 6
Caroline Rook 2


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1861 census.

Sarah Rook
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Wife
Spouse- John Rook

Born - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
Middlesex.

Address - 74, Baston Street. ??

Occupation - Monthly nurse.

Reg dist-Shoreditch
Sub-reg dist - Haggerstone East
ED-8g

John Rook 68. Occ. Clockmaker. b. Bethnal Green.
Sarah Rook 63


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1871 census.

Sarah Rook
Age: 73
abt 1798
Relation: Head

Born - Rotherhithe
Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Eccl parish: St Augustine
London

Reg dist-Shoreditch
Sub-reg distr-Haggerston East
ED-8

Sarah Rook 73. Widow. Pensioner.


Steve.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
Steve, I think the female child on 1841 census 'K' is actually Harriet age 10+. It's a very bad immage. On IGI she is listed born 1827, Bermondsey Southwalk, as well as John 1831. Thier parents are John an Sarah..

There is a marriage of John Rook to Sarah Margetts at Bermonsey on 10/2/1826, John a Widower. according to census Sarah was born Rotherhythe. Bermondsey is adj to Rotherhythe so did they marry there.

On a tree on A.. John's wife is Sarah Louden..

dave

 

[p.risboy]

Sarah White.
Baptism - 13 Oct 1797
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Parent(s): Matthew White & Sarah White
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

John Rook
Baptism - 17 Aug 1794
Parish: St Leonard, Shoreditch
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Parent(s): Henry Rook & Sarah Rook
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi
Steve, I think the female child on 1841 census 'K' is actually Harriet born 1827. On IGI she is listed born 1827, Bermondsey Southwalk, as well as John 1831. Thier parents are John an Sarah..

There is a marriage of John Rook to Sarah Margetts at Bermonsey on 10/2/1826, John a Widower

On a tree on A.. John's wife is Sarah Louden..

dave

Can't see a marriage for Rook & Louden, nor have the trees got a date for it Dave. And there's a few with no sources.

I think this will give Ladybird something to digest and think about.

Steve.

 

[ladybird]

Well,well what can I say, this could well be them, I have never found John Rook apart from on his sons marriage certificate.
Will look at details later, as Christmas calls. but thank you.
Will let you know if this seems probable. Thanks everyone

 

[p.risboy]

Well,well what can I say, this could well be them, I have never found John Rook apart from on his sons marriage certificate.
Will look at details later, as Christmas calls. but thank you.
Will let you know if this seems probable. Thanks everyone

Have you a death for your George Rook.?

 

[ladybird]

Have you a death for your George Rook.?

No, I haven't, but I do have a death certificate of John the Clockmaker, he died Hagerstone East Shoreditch 1867 & was shown as a clockmaker master. This has always been what has confused me,as I would have thought that if he was a clockmaker master, why could he not write when he signed the marriage certificate of his son John in 1853 to Jane Cook. Also I have never come across any references to a John Rook clockmaker in any of the clockmaker references, apart from one in the 1700's in Gloucestershire. Do you think he was exaggerating his job title?
However the family you have given me details of is them, now I have to try & get back from the birth of John.
I have also come across in my research the John Rook marrying Sarah Margetts, this always intrigued me a bit because the Margetts were shown as horological instrument makers & I thought there may be a connection, but now looking at your findings I think I was going off on the wrong line.
Well, this has certainly made my day.Thanks:biggrin:

 

[p.risboy]

George Rook signed the cert, but Victoria Constance Clarke made her mark.

John Rook's signature doesn't seem to be on the 1863 marriage cert.

Also, one of the witnesses of their marriage was William Bennett.

He may be the same chap who married George & Victoria's daughter, or his son. Big age difference though.

William Bennett.
Birth Date: abt 1838
Age: 56
Father - William Bennett
Spouse - Annie Victoria Constance Rook
Spouse Age: 36
Father's Name: George Rook
Marriage Date: 30 Jan 1894
Marriage Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England

And.............!!!

Joseph Richard Langan
Father Name: Joseph Langan
SpouseName: Annie Victoria Constance Bennett
Father's Name: George Rook
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1900
Marriage Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England



Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Victoria Constance Rook
Age in 1911 - 66
abt 1845
Relation to Head: Mother

Born - Holburn, London, England
Civil parish: Walthamstow
Essex
Address - 24 Albert Road, Walthamstow, Essex
Marital Status - Widowed
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: West Ham

Sub-reg dist-Walthamstow
ED-14

Annie Langan 46. b. 1856, Hackney. Widowed.
Victoria Constance Rook 66
Ethel Frances Fleetwood. b.1885. Boarder.



Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

1871 census. Not 100% sure it's your family, the best I could find in 1871.??

George Roote
Age: 36
abt 1835.
Spouse - Emma Roote. (This is a puzzle).??

Born: Hackney
Civil parish: St Michael and All Angels
Eccl parish: St Michael and All Angels
London

Reg district: Hackney
Sub-reg dist-South Hackney
ED-8

George Roote 36. Occupation - Porter.
Emma Roote 29. b. Hatton Garden.
Annie Roote 6
Emma Roote 5
George Roote 3
?? Roote 1. daughter. b.Bethnal Green.

Other kiddies all born Hackney.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Annie Victoria Constance Rook.
Birth Date: 8 Jul 1864
Christening - 14 Nov 1875
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Age at Christening - 11 years old.
Father - George Rook
Name - Victoria.


George Rook.
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1870
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1875
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Age at Christening: 5
Father - George Rook
Mother - Victoria


William Rook
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1871
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1875
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Age at Christening: 3
Father - George Rook
Mother - Victoria


John Rook
Birth Date: 21 May 1878
Christening Date: 1 Sep 1878
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father - George Rook
Mother - Victoria Constance.

Jessie Rook
Gender - Female
Birth Date: 8 May 1868
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1875
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Age at Christening: 7
Father - George Rook
Mother - Victoria



Steve.