Arthur Goodwin

[horse]

Hi

Looking for Arthur's mother and his baptism.

Birth reg.

Births Q3 1887
GOODWIN Arthur
Madeley
6a 629

His father, George says he is single in 1891 and there is no indication who his parents are:
Civil Parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Iron Bridge
Town: Iron Bridge
County: Shropshire
RD: Madeley
ED: 5; RG12; Piece: 2099; Folio: 57; Page: 11

John Goodwin 64
Maria Goodwin 51
George Goodwin 33
Benjamen Goodwin 30
Albert Goodwin 21
Edwin Goodwin 19
Henry Goodwin 14
Walter Goodwin 12
Arthur Goodwin 4 g'son

However in 1901 the census names George as his father but is still single.

Many thanks
Geoff

 

[gibbo]

You have either Arthur or George in 1911?

 

[horse]

Hi Gibbo

1911
Civil Parish: Madeley
County: Shropshire
Street address: 50 Wellington Road, Coalbrookdale
RD: Madeley
RD No: 348
Sub-RD: Madeley
ED: 4; RG14; Piece: 16026; Schedule Number: 141

Arthur Goodwin 23 [b. Ironbridge. Pipe Moulder]
May Goodwin 25 [do]
Clara Goodwin 3 [b. Ironbridge]
Edward John 1 [b. Coalbrookdale]

Possible that Clara is named after Arthur's mother

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not found George in 1911 nor his death yet..

Geoff

 

[rupert]

Sorry Geoff, no Shropshire baptism image for Arthur or marriage image for George.

George Edward Goodwin baptised 20th Sep 1857, parents John & Maria.

Possible death for George
Deaths Mar 1902
Goodwin George Edward 44 Madeley 6a 468

Nothing yet found in the newspapers

Rupert

 

[horse]

Thanks, Rupert. I didn't have that image, or George's death.

Geoff

 

[stockpot]

Are you sure that George is Arthur's father? I assume you got it from Arthur's marriage certificate?

The 1901 census says that Arthur is grandson to Maria and that George is son to her but it doesn't say that Arthur is son to George.

The 1881 census shows that John and Maria had a daughter, Mary Ann aged 14 so born ~ 1867. She has left home by 1891. Is it possible that Arthur is her child? It was more usual for a child to stay with it's mother's family if it's parents were not married and also if George was not married to Arthur's mother then Arthur would have probably been registered under his mother's name, not Goodwin.

Elaine

 

[horse]

Thanks, Elaine.

Would normally completely agree with all that. However, on the 1901 transcription for Arthur, it gives this:

"Arthur Goodwin
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Father: George Goodwin
Birth Place: Iron Bridge, Shropshire, England"

Geoff

 

[horse]

Would normally completely agree with all that. However, on the 1901 transcription for Arthur, it gives this:

It's an interesting point you make, though. Just rechecked the image and there is no indication that George is his father.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Thanks for pointing that out, Elaine.

It looks as though the enumerator/transcriber had assumed George was the father

There is a tree that points to the father being a sibling of George.

Marriages Q1 1884
Astbury Sarah Ann
Goodwin John
HOBDAY Clara
Jones Robert
Madeley
6a 927

Deaths Q1 1889
Goodwin John
24
Madeley
6a 453

Interesting Arthur called his dau. Clara.

Geoff

 

[horse]

1891
Civil Parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Iron Bridge
Town: Iron Bridge
County: Shropshire
RD: Madeley
ED: 7; RG12; Piece: 2099; Folio: 76; Page: 8

Abraham Smith 30
Clara Goodwin 28 wid [b. Wolverhampton. Housekeeper, employee]

She married Abraham Smith in 1892

Geoff

 

[stockpot]

Yes, Maria and John did have a son John aged 17 in 1881 so the correct age to be the John who died in 1889, looks like he was Arthur's father.

Clara Smith died in 1896 and Abraham remarried to Alice Evans in 1898.

Elaine

 

[horse]

Yes, I may still get the birth cert. just to be sure, unless I find a bap. in the meantime.

A bit naughty of that 1901 transcriber to assume George was the father though.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Full of surprises our Clara, in 1891 she says she's 28y suggesting a DoB of c1863, this is the only birth reg I can see

Births Q4 1852
Hobday Clara
Wolverhampton
6b 334

Geoff

 

[stockpot]

Yes, I have checked the censuses and the birth in 1852 seems to be the correct one.

She was the correct age when living with her parents in 1861 and 71 but must have reduced her age when she married John Goodwin as he was born ~ 1864 so a lot younger than her. Then she just carried on with the pretence with her second husband as he too was younger than her. Even her death was registered to give her birth year as 1862.
Luckily she was far enough from her family to get away with it !

Elaine