BALL family in Winwick

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Maria Ball
birth: 17 November 1822
christening: 15 December 1822 WINWICK, LANCASHIRE
parents: William Ball, Margaret

Margaret Ball
birth: 24 January 1830
christening: 11 April 1830 WINWICK, LANCASHIRE
parents: William Ball, Margaret

Elizabeth Ball
birth: 1836
christening: 1836 WINWICK, LANCASHIRE
parents: William Ball, Margaret

I'd like a look up for the family in 1841 please.

Dave

 

[davelambert271]

1841
BALL, William M 45 1796 Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Margaret F 45 1796 Lancashire VIEW
BALL, John M 15 1826 Lancashire VIEW
BALL, William M 13 1828 Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Margaret F 11 1830 Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Thomas M 9 1832 Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Elizabeth F 5 1836 Lancashire VIEW
ELLAM, Peter M 25 1816 Lancashire VIEW

Piece: 524

Book/Folio: 14/26

Page: 10

Registration District: Warrington

Civil Parish: Winwick

Municipal Borough:

Address: High Street, Winwick, Newton In Makerfield

County: Lancashire

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks dave.

William is a weaver at time of his marriage but later in 1817 at baptism of son Simeon he is a miner.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Re the family in post #2, can the occupations for William and his sons be read off the image?

Thanks.

Dave

 

[horse]

Hello,

Re the family in post #2, can the occupations for William and his sons be read off the image?

Thanks.

Dave

William aged 45y., Lab.

John aged 15y., Turner & Fitter app.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Baptism: 21 Dec 1817 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Simeon Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Nov
Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Jno. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 45, Entry 354
Source: Original Parish Register

Marriage: 26 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
William Ball - Weaver, Leigh Parish
Margaret Branwood - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
Witness: James Lees; Timothy Taylor
Married by Banns by: Danl. Birkett Vicar
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1820, Page 167, Entry 501

It would seem that is not the right marriage.

The family in post #2 seems not to be the one with children of a William & Margaret - Simeon, Hiram, Israel, ...

William the miner and his son Hiram also a coal miner lived in Edge Green Golborne. In later census they are farmers.

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Baptism: 21 Dec 1817 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Simeon Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Nov
Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Jno. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 45, Entry 354
Source: Original Parish Register

Marriage: 26 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
William Ball - Weaver, Leigh Parish
Margaret Branwood - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
Witness: James Lees; Timothy Taylor
Married by Banns by: Danl. Birkett Vicar
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1820, Page 167, Entry 501

It would seem that is not the right marriage.

The family in post #2 seems not to be the one with children of a William & Margaret - Simeon, Hiram, etc...

Dunno, Dave - Just checked that image from the census in post #2... will have a look for the one with latest info...

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

It would seem from the census that the BALL family in my tree were in Edge Green Golbourne all the time.

1841
HO107 524/7/42/32
Edge Green Golbourne
All born in the county
William Ball 55 Collier
Margaret Ball 50
John Ball 25 Collier
Hiram Ball 20 Collier
Maria Ball 15
Israel Ball 15 Collier
Amelia Ball 12
James Ball 15

1851
HO107 2204/72/14
Edge Green, Golbourne
William Ball 64 Farmer of 9 acres
Margaret Ball 61 farmer's wife
Hiram Ball 28 farmer's son
Isreal Ball 24 farmer's son
Amelia Ball 22 farmer's daughter
James Ball 20 farmer's son
Joseph Dickson 17 servant ?? in the coal pit

1861
RG9 2799/15/23
Edge Green, Golbourne
Hiram Ball Head 36 Farmer of 28 acres
Alice Ball wife 29
William Thos Ball son 9 Months
Israel Ball brother 32 Coal carter
Ann Ball 6 scholar
Ellen Henton 13 nurse


Simeon is the one in my tree so I have his baptism in 1817.

The question becomes: is his mother Margaret BRANWOOD?

 

[horse]

Every reference just gives William Ball and Margaret

 

[horse]

hmm...

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/cgi-bin/mkindx.cgi?parish=Golborne&type=Parish&community=

 

[DaveHam9]

hmm...

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[horse]

Margaret Branwood
Marriage Date: 26 Jan 1817
Parish: Leigh, St Mary
Parish as it Appears: Leigh
Spouse's Name: William Ball
Reference Number: GB127.L211/1/4/8

Geoff

 

[horse]

Baptism: 21 Dec 1817 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Simeon Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Nov
Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Jno. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 45, Entry 354
Source: Original Parish Register

 

[horse]

The birth agrees with his father as coal miner...

 

[DaveHam9]

Margaret Branwood
Marriage Date: 26 Jan 1817
Parish: Leigh, St Mary
Parish as it Appears: Leigh
Spouse's Name: William Ball
Reference Number: GB127.L211/1/4/8

Geoff

Post #6

William is a weaver. That's why I doubt it's the right marriage to be Simeon, Hiram, Israel's parents. The right marriage probably for the family in post #2.

 

[horse]

Thanks dave.

William is a weaver at time of his marriage but later in 1817 at baptism of son Simeon he is a miner.

Dave

What does this mean, Dave.. or have I misunderstood?

 

[DaveHam9]

No, you have not misunderstood.

I didn't make myself clear. I'm asking the impossible question.

Is it the same William and he changed occupations or is it a differnt William because of the different occupations?

Baptisms of children with father William a weaver? - No

Wiliam a weaver in 1841 - No

Another marriage for a William & Margaret ?

Marriage: 28 Dec 1806 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Ball - (X), this town [Wigan]
Margaret Redhead - (X), this town [Wigan]
Witness: Wm. Bancks; James Davis
Married by Banns by: John Gibson
Register: Marriages 1803 - 1812, Page 155, Entry 770

 

[horse]

1841
William Ball
Born abt 1786 Lancashire

Civil Parish: Winwick
Hundred: West Derby
County: Lancashire
RD: Warrington
Sub-RD: Newton
ED: 2
HO107; Piece: 524; Book: 7; Folio: 42; Page: 32

William Ball 55 [Collier]
John Ball 25
Jame Ball 20
Maria Ball 15
Israel Ball 15
Amelia Ball 12
James Ball 15
Margaret Ball 50

Geoff

 

[horse]

William has been a collier/miner since the birth of Simeon, he was a weaver at the time of the marriage to Margaret Branwood in Dec 1817. I suspect you are correct in noticing he changed his occupation between his marriage and his 1st born...

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
William Ball
Born abt 1786 Lancashire

Civil Parish: Winwick
Hundred: West Derby
County: Lancashire
RD: Warrington
Sub-RD: Newton
ED: 2
HO107; Piece: 524; Book: 7; Folio: 42; Page: 32

William Ball 55 [Collier]
John Ball 25
Jame Ball 20
Maria Ball 15
Israel Ball 15
Amelia Ball 12
James Ball 15
Margaret Ball 50

Geoff

I'm confused. I know Golbourne was in Winwick Parish in 1841 and that it was not in the same parish 1851.

Is that family at Edge Green Golbourne?