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BALL family in Winwick

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1851
HO107 2204/75/21
Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Sub-RD: Lowton
Address: 70 Edge Green ?
BALL Simion Head 31 Miner Coal Golborne, Lancashire

1861
RG9 Piece 2799 Folio 12 Page 17
Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Address: Dove House ? OR 91 Edge Green ?
BALL Simeon Head wid 47 Coal Miner Golborne, Lancashire
 

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1861
Simeon Ball
Born abt 1814 Golborne, Lancashire
Occ: Coal miner

Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
RD: Leigh
Sub-RD: Lowton
ED: 1
RG 9; Piece: 2799; Folio: 12; Page: 17

Simeon Ball 47
John Ball 16 [Son, b. Golbourne]
Sarah Ball 15
Elizabeth Ball 8
Betsy Ball 5
Maria Ball 3
Simeon Ball 1
Joseph Ball 26 [Brother, b. abt. 1835]

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We may have to assume that 1817 marriage is the right one and that William changed occupations that year.

I can't see any other baptisms in Winwick, Lowton, Golbourne with parents William & Margaret. But we still have the family dave found in post #2. But William & Margaret are younger.
 

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Is this the Elizabeth in post #2?

Baptism: 29 May 1836 St Peter, Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 17 Apr 1836
Abode: Newton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jno. Sedgwick Curate
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1844 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 161, Entry 1286


NEWTON-IN-MACKERFIELD, a town, a parish, and a sub-district, in Warrington district, Lancashire. The town stands adjacent to the Liverpool and Manchester railway, in the neighbourhood of the junctions northward to Wigan and southward to Warrington, 1½ mile E N E of the magnificent railway viaduct over the Sankey valley, 5½ N by W of Warrington, and about midway between Liverpool and Manchester. It is some-times called Newton-le-Willows,
 

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Baptism: 6 Nov 1836 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Mary
Born: 2 Oct 1836
Abode: Ashton
Occupation: Labourer
Notes: [No year of birth given, so assumed to be same year as baptism.]
Baptised by: Jn. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1886 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 24, Entry 186
 

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Baptism: 6 Nov 1836 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Mary
Born: 2 Oct 1836
Abode: Ashton
Occupation: Labourer
Notes: [No year of birth given, so assumed to be same year as baptism.]
Baptised by: Jn. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1886 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 24, Entry 186
Oh!

We could have the wrong family :confused:
 

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Don't know Geoff.

We know we have two different William & Margaret - the ones in post #2 are much younger. We only have the one marriage in 1817. I can't find a baptism that fits for either William.

I was trying to find baptisms for the children in post #2 and found that one with mother = Mary.
 

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Don't know.

Baptism: 22 Oct 1820 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Hiram Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 21 Sep Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Baptism: 15 Dec 1822 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Maria Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 17 Nov Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Baptism: 29 May 1825 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Israel Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Apr Abode: Golborne
Occupation: Miner
 

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Most curious:

Maria Ball
birth: 17 November 1822
christening: 15 December 1822 WINWICK, LANCASHIRE
parents: William Ball, Margaret

Baptism: 15 Dec 1822 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Maria Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 17 Nov Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner


Except for Maria the other two in post #1 fit the family in post #2. This is the family with Maria:

1841
HO107 524/7/42/32
Civil Parish: Winwick
Hundred: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Warrington
Sub-RD: Newton
ED: 2
All born in the county
William Ball 55 Collier
Margaret Ball 50
John Ball 25 Collier
Hiram Ball 20 Collier
Maria Ball 15
Israel Ball 15 Collier
Amelia Ball 12
James Ball 15
 
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This is the corresponding baptism for Elizabeth:

Baptism: 29 May 1836 St Peter, Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 17 Apr 1836
Abode: Newton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jno. Sedgwick Curate
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1844 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 161, Entry 1286

I can't find one for Margaret.

Occupation matches that for the William in post #2.

So we very clearly have 2x William & Margaret of different ages but only one marriage.
 

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