BALL family

[DaveHam9]

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 524/7 Folio 42 Page 32
Civil Parish: Winwick (with Hulme)
Hundred: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Warrington
Sub-RD: Newton in Makerfield
ED: 2
Address: Edge Green
William Ball 55 Collier Y
John 25 Collier Y
Hiram 20 Collier Y
Maria 15 Y
Israel 15 Collier Y
Amelia 12 Y
James 10 Y
Margaret 50 Y

1851
HO107 Piece 2204 Folio 72 Page 14
Civil Parish: Golbourne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
Sub-RD: Lowton
ED: 2c
No of Schedule: 44
Address: Edge Green
William Ball Head Mar 64 Farmer of 9 acres Abram Lancashire
Margaret Ball Wife Mar 61 Leigh Lancashire
Hiram Ball Son Unm 28 Farmer's son Golborne
Israel Ball Son Unm 24 Farmer's son Golborne
Amelia Ball Dau Unm 22 Farmer's daughter Golborne
James Ball Son Unm 20 Farmer's son Golborne
Joseph Dickson Servant 17 Drayer in the Coal pit Lowton


I'm trying to find Margaret's maiden name. Thanks.

 

[emeltee]

This baptism fits with the Edge Green address given in both Census entries

Baptism: 4 Oct 1812 Ashton Chapel, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ball - 3rd Child and 2nd Son of William Ball & Margaret, Daughter of William & Mary Ridyard
Born: 8 Sep 1812
Abode: Edge Green Golborne
Baptised by: Rev. E. Sibson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1810 - 1812, Page 19, Entry 401

Likely baptism

Baptism: 26 Oct 1788 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Peggy Ridyard - Daughter of William Ridyard & Mary
Abode: Pennington
Register: Baptisms 1782 - 1797, Page 70

I cannot find a Ball/Ridyard marriage but this one looks reasonable

Marriage: 28 Dec 1806 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Ball - (X), this town [Wigan]
Margaret Redhead - (X), this town [Wigan]
Witness: Wm. Bancks; James Davis
Married by Banns by: John Gibson
Register: Marriages 1803 - 1812, Page 155, Entry 770

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks emeltee.

Very handy having the abode and Margaret's parents. This was ruled out previously because occupation was weaver.

Marriage: 26 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
William Ball - Weaver, Leigh Parish
Margaret Branwood - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
Witness: James Lees; Timothy Taylor
Married by Banns by: Danl. Birkett Vicar
Register: Marriages 1813-1820, Page 167, Entry 501
Source: LDS Film 559188

 

[DaveHam9]

Baptism: 22 Oct 1820 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire
Hiram Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 21 Sep Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Baptism: 15 Dec 1822 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire
Maria Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 17 Nov Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Baptism: 29 May 1825 St Luke Lowton, Lancashire
Israel Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Apr Abode: Golborne
Occupation: Miner

 

[DaveHam9]

Baptism: 9 Jul 1815 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
William Ball - 2nd Child and 2nd Son of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 19 Jun 1815
Abode: Golborne
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: Edmund Sibson, Curate of Ashton
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1827, Page 45, Entry 359
Source: LDS Film 1885658

Something is not right.

Baptism: 21 Dec 1817 St Luke, Lowton, Lancashire, England
Simeon Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Nov
Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Jno. Pennington, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1834, Page 45, Entry 354
Source: Original Parish Register

 

[emeltee]

Baptism: 13 Mar 1808 St Luke, Lowton, Lancs.
Mary Ball - Daughter of William Ball
Born: 3 Feb
Abode: Golborn

Baptism: 9 Sep 1810 St Luke, Lowton, Lancs.
John Ball - Son of William Ball
Born: 19 Aug
Abode: Golborn

Baptism: 21 Dec 1817 St Luke, Lowton, Lancs.
Simeon Ball - [Child] of William Ball & Margaret
Born: 29 Nov
Abode: Golborn
Occupation: Miner

Hiram, Israel and Maria you have and Thomas and William baptised Ashton in Makerfield fit nicely into the gap between John and Simeon. Not sure as to hy they weren't baptised in Lowton. Thomas fits as the third child and second son, although William is something of a conundrum, unless, of course, the Vicar (or the person giving the info) got it wrong.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks emeltee.

1815 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield - a collier

1820 St Luke Lowton - a miner

 

[emeltee]

What's in a name - they both go underground and dig coal.

 

[DaveHam9]

Large number of coal mines in the area.

If William only worked in the Edge Green mine then a bit odd re children's baptisms.

Edge Green Pit opened before 1830 and finished winding coal in 1920.

 

[DaveHam9]

https://www.nmrs.org.uk/mines-map/c...oalfield/wigan-coalfield/edge-green-colliery/

 

[emeltee]

I suppose it is possible that William didn't like the vicar between 1810 and 1817!

 

[DaveHam9]

Will never know why the change for children's baptisms - St Luke then St Thomas then back to St Luke.

Also won't know if William was employed in the one mine.

One marriage now ruled out for sure and a few more baptisms so progress.