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Jos BARNES & Eliz INFIELD
16 Oct 1809 Bletsoe, Bedford
Batch: M005081

Joseph c. 30 Jul 1786 Bletsoe, Bedford
William BARNS & Anne
Batch: P005081

Elizabeth Infield bapt 4 Mar 1787 at Bletsoe.

I have no death/burial for Joseph or Elizabeth.

With Keysoe baptisms not on the IGI: from the transcript there is a baptism of William son of Joseph & Elizabeth Barnes on 8 July 1810. That's the only Barnes there for that timespan.
I have nothing further on William.

Elizabeth born abt 1811?

John bapt 27 Jun 1812 Bletsoe, Bedford ? Privately submitted IGI

Death 6635/1863 BARNES JOHN - JOSEPH ELIZABETH - BURRANGONG

John's Death Certificate Reg No. 06635. Died 30 Aug 1863 at Wollenbeen, Burrangong. John was shot and killed by John O'Malley, Bush Ranger. His Father is Joseph Barnes. Occ. Brewer: Mother: Elizabeth Pickering. Where Born England. Time in Colony 22yrs in NSW. Married: London Age at Marriage 21. Spouse Elizabeth King. Children of Marriage 5 Males 1 Female Living. 1 Male 2 Females Deceased.

King is middle name although in error in some records as maiden name.

Marriage: St Antholin & St John the Baptist, London
14 July 1833 John Barnes bach otp and Elizabeth King Ellen spinster otp by Banns
Both signed
Witnesses: William Waller & Eliza Brewster


That's the first three of six children.

So why Pickering and not Infield on death certificate?

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Bapt 3 Dec 1815 in Bletsoe (From the Bishop's Transcripts for Bletsoe 1602-1861) ??
Baptisms
St George in the East, Middlesex.
11 Aug 1816 (born 29 Dec 1814) Susannah Eliza Barnes dau of Joseph and Elizabeth, servant.
Born in the parish of Keysoe in the county of Bedford.

Baptised twice or an error? Susannah's burial in NSW does not list parents.

St George in the East, Middlesex.
20 Sept 1818 (born 27 Jul 1818 ) Rebecca Barnes dau of Joseph & Elizabeth, labourer of Turner St.

I have nothing further on Rebecca.

St George in the East, Middlesex 10 Jun 1821 (born 14 Feb 1821) Joseph Samuel Barnes son of Joseph & Elizabeth, Brewer's servant of Taling? St.

I think that is Tarling street. Joseph jun died in NSW - mother = E. Pickering.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thu 10 Sep 1863 p.1
DEATHS
On the 30th August, shot by bushrangers near Wallenbeen station, Mr. John Barnes, of Murrumburrah, late of Sydney and Melbourne, and formerly of 111 Wood-street, Cheapside, London, aged 51 years.

Don't think this address will help as John and Elizabeth left for NSW before 1841 census.

Two other children known to have left England before 1841 census, possibly one more.

None of the family found so far in 1841.

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Susannah Eliza
Last name Barnes
Birth year 1814
Birth date 29/12/1814
Baptism year 1816
Baptism date 11 Aug 1816
Address Born in Kegsoe Parish, County of Bedford
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's occupation Servant
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Parish St George in the East, Stepney
Church address Cannon Street Road
County London
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Joseph Barnby
Last name Barnes
Age Full
Residence Church ST
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 20 Sep 1847
Marriage place Sculcoates, All Saints
Spouse's first name(s)
Elizabeth Spouse's last name Pickering
Spouse's ageF ull
Spouse's residence Church St
Father's first name(s)
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Pickering
CountyYorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
ArchiveEast Riding Archives & Local Studies Service
Archive reference PE 46/31
Page 129

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Thanks Ellie.

Lots of possible burials 1821 - 1841 in Middx/London for a Joseph Barnes but not enough details on FS to choose any.

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The two who died in NSW with Pickering as mother on death certificate were born 1812 and 1821.
 

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Rebecca
Last name Barnes
Birth year 1818
Birth date 27/07/1818
Baptism year 1818
Baptism date 20 Sep 1818
Address Turner Street St George in the East
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's occupation Labourer
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Parish St George in the East, Stepney
Church address Cannon Street Road
County London
Country England
Docklands Ancestors referenceX097/278
Record set
London, Docklands And East End Baptisms, 1558-1933
 

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Henry Barnes
Gender
Male
Christening Date
01 May 1843
Christening Date (Original)
01 MAY 1843
Christening Place
WORKHOUSE CHAPEL,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date
17 Apr 1843
Father's Name
Joseph Barnes
Mother's Name
Elizabeth

Not finding his Bapts.

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William John c. 12 Nov 1837 St Dunstan Stepney, Middlesex
John BARNES & Elizabeth King
Batch: C055763

Thomas Alfred c. 12 Nov 1837 St Dunstan Stepney, Middlesex

John Frederick c. 12 Nov 1837 St Dunstan, Stepney

W J must have been born abt 1834.

Burials in the Parish of St. Lawrence Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1841
No. 236 William John Barnes Abode: Elizabeth St. South When Died: 16/17 ? Oct When Buried: 17 Oct Age: 7 yrs Quality or Profession: Father an Office Clerk By whom the Ceremony was performed: J. Troughton

The Sydney Morning Herald - Sat 25 Oct 1902 p.1
Deaths.
BARNES.-October 20, 1902, at Murrumburrah, Thomas Alfred Barnes, aged 66 years.

T A born abt 1836.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thu 22 Apr 1915 p.8
DEATHS
BARNES.-At The Retreat, Connell's Bay, Hurstville, John Frederick Barnes, late Cootamundra, aged 77.
 
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Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Andrew's Scots Church Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1853
No. - When Baptised: 27 Sept. When Born: 31 January 1840 George Robert - John Barnes & Elizabeth King Ellen Abode: Surry Hills Quality or Profession: Merchant By whom the Ceremony was performed: Rev. Robert Stewart


Barque 'Abbotsford'
Master: Hicks
Origin: London 1840 Nov 26
Destination: Sydney 1841 Apr 5
Cargo merchandise
Barnes Mr and family
Walker Mr and Mrs
Walpole Mr
9 in steerage

Oh. Must have been born on the vessel. Small vessel and a long voyage with only 9 in steerage so they must have been in cabin.
 
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I.m not getting an early Barnes /Pickering Marr. in England

Ellie
Thanks Ellie.

It's a real puzzle. Two brothers death certificates so two informants.

If Joseph sen died soon after 1821 then Elizabeth could have remarried but no marriage.

Burial for Joseph listing occ as brewer or brewers lab or brewers servant ??

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Supposedly twins born 9 Jan 1839 in London - Elizabeth Jane and Mary Ellen.

No trace of either in NSW.

Oh.

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - GLEBE - TOXTETH-ROAD POLLING-PLACE
BARNES William John, 15 Avenue-road, independent means
BARNES Mary Ellen, 15 Avenue-road, domestic duties

Mary Ellen is not wife or daughter.

Daughters Mary Isabella and Olive Muriel. Wife was Janet who died in 1906.

1925 NSW Electoral Roll - West Sydney - Toxteth
BARNES William John, 15 Avenue road, no occupation

If Mary Ellen is an older sister then no death in NSW 1913 - 1925 for a Mary with parents John & Elizabeth.


Ok, that solved. It's not an older sister but a daughter-in-law.
 
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John
Last name Barnes
Name note
Marriage year 1833
Marriage date 14 Jul 1833
Marriage place St Andrew Undershaft
Spouse's first name(s)
Elizabeth King
Spouse's last nameEllen
Residence St. Andrew Undershaft, London, England
County London
CountryEngland
 

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John
Last name Barnes
Name note
Marriage year 1833
Marriage date 14 Jul 1833
Marriage place St Andrew Undershaft
Spouse's first name(s)
Elizabeth King
Spouse's last nameEllen
Residence St. Andrew Undershaft, London, England
County London
CountryEngland
Thanks Ellie.

Something odd there.

Parish: St Antholin and St John The Baptist
Extracted Batch: M000801

and
Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
John Barnes
Spouse: Elizth Ellen
1833
Parish: St Antholin and St John The Baptist

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Any image of the 3 baptisms 12 Nov 1837 St Dunstan, Stepney that might list birth dates.

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Barque 'Abbotsford' arrival in April 1841 is listed in four newspapers but no names or number of children and no mention of a birth on board.

NSW baptism records do not give pob. They give abode at time of baptism.
 

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London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921
Elizabeth Jane Barnes
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 13 Apr 1839
Age: 3/12
Church: Wycliffe Congregational Church
Burough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Don't know the source of the dob 9 Jan 1839.
 

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