Bernard McDermott

[toffeetower]

Hi guys,
I've hit a real brick wall on this, I've asked other genie friends about this and they can't break it either...here goes
Bernard McDermott wife Jane someone
Bernard's children all have Clapham as mothers maiden name,
I think I have Bernard in 1851-61-71-81-91-1901,
Can't find marriage of Bernard and Jane Clapham, so maybe she married Bernard with a new married name as a widow possibly?
On early census 51 I have Bernard's father as Peter, mother Mary if I have the correct Bernard! Hope you can help
Cheers

 

[toffeetower]

1851
Bernard is Bryan

Byran McDermott
Age 6
Estimated Birth Year abt 1845
Relation Son
Father's Name Peter McDermott
Mother's Name Mary McDermott
Gender Male
Where born Ireland
Civil parish Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish St Simon
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps 4824
Town Liverpool
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Liverpool
Sub-registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 1n
Household schedule number 73
Piece 2184
Folio 458
Page number 27
Household Members
Name Age
Peter McDermott 40
Mary McDermott 30
William McDermott 15
Bessy McDermott 12
Michael McDermott 10
Byran McDermott 6
Mary McDermott 4
Peter McDermott 3

 

[toffeetower]

1861
Father Peter has died

Bernard McDermott
Age 16
Estimated Birth Year 1845
Relation Son
Mother's Name Mary McDermott
Gender Male
Where born Ireland
Civil parish St Simon
Ecclesiastical parish St Simon
Town Liverpool
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Liverpool
Sub-registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 8
Household schedule number 201
Piece 2690
Folio 69
Page number 48
Household Members
Name Age
Mary McDermott
William McDermott
Michael McDermott
Bernard McDermott
Mary McDermott
John McDermott
Martin McDermott
Peter J McDermott

 

[toffeetower]

1871
Bernard's married with Jane...her brother also here...Clapham

Bennett McDonnall
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1844
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Jane McDonnall
Gender Male
Where born Ireland
Civil parish Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish St Simon
Town Liverpool
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Liverpool
Sub-registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Household schedule number 147
Piece 3788
Folio 18
Page number 29
Household Members
Name Age
Bennett McDonnall 27
Jane McDonnall 24
Mary E McDonnall 4
John McDonnall 1
Johann Clapham 18

 

[toffeetower]

1881

Bernard Mc Dermot
Age 38
Estimated Birth Year abt 1843
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Jane Mc Dermot
Gender Male
Where born Liverpool
Civil parish Liverpool
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 2-15 Blandford Street
Marital Status Married
Occupation Labourer
Registration district Liverpool
Sub registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 3629
Folio 67
Page number 19
Household Members
Name Age
Bernard Mc Dermot 38
Jane Mc Dermot 34
Mary H. Mc Dermot 13
John Mc Dermot 11
Alice Mc Dermot 6
William Mc Dermot 2
Thos.H. Mc Dermot

 

[toffeetower]

Can't find me 1891 but here's 1901

Bernard Mc Demott
Age 58
Estimated Birth Year abt 1843
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Ireland
Civil parish Liverpool
Search Photos Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Liverpool
Sub-registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 3423
Folio 35
Page number 18
Household schedule number 115
Household Members
Name Age
Bernard Mc Demott 58
Mary E Mc Demott 34
Thomas Mc Demott 17
Bernard Mc Demott 16
Elizabeth Reams 47

 

[toffeetower]

Bernard's brother Martin possibly

Birth
28 Aug 1853 • Liverpool, Lancashire, England
MCDERMOTT, MARTIN mothers maiden name DACEY Order GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 1

So if I can find Bernard's birth to confirm Peter father and Mary Dacey as mother I'll know 1851 and 1861 are correct!

 

[toffeetower]

1891 Bernard possibly with his brother William and two kids Thomas and Bernard jnr

Bernarol McDermott
[Bernard McDermott]
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Mayo, Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2913
Folio: 136
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William McDermott 54
Catherine McDermott 53
Bernarol McDermott 42
Thomas McDermott 10
Bernard McDermott 3
Caroline Cyuck 42

So arl Bernard could be born in Mayo Ireland then?

 

[p.risboy]

Any thoughts on this marriage.?

Bernard McDermott
Year: 1869
Qtr. Apr-May-Jun
Reg dist - Southampton
Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 66

Fanny Eckton
Jane Kelly
Bernard McDermott
Henry Ensworth Wyatt


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

From Lancs OPC. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Marriage: 9 Nov 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Bernard McDermott - (X), Full age, Porter, Bachelor, Park Lane
Mary Clarke - (X), Full age, Widow, Park Lane
Groom's Father: Bernard McDermott, Porter
Bride's Father: James King, Butcher
Witness: James Dunmore; Mary Ann Boydon
Married by Banns by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Marriages 1863, Page 206, Entry 411
Source: LDS Film 1656681


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

You should also be aware, that some Catholic marriages use Latinised christian names, or even Irish versions of the whole name.

But I would think, that by law in those times, the English versions of their names, would have possibly been Anglicized.

Steve.

 

[toffeetower]

From Lancs OPC. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Marriage: 9 Nov 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Bernard McDermott - (X), Full age, Porter, Bachelor, Park Lane
Mary Clarke - (X), Full age, Widow, Park Lane
Groom's Father: Bernard McDermott, Porter
Bride's Father: James King, Butcher
Witness: James Dunmore; Mary Ann Boydon
Married by Banns by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Marriages 1863, Page 206, Entry 411
Source: LDS Film 1656681


Steve.

Hi Steve,
One of my genie friends found this too, but with Bernard's father being Peter? As you say sometimes they used middle names ! But it has Janes father as King not Clapham...that's were I get confused, but we also noted Bernard's job as porter which has popped up before...thanks

 

[toffeetower]

Any thoughts on this marriage.?

Bernard McDermott
Year: 1869
Qtr. Apr-May-Jun
Reg dist - Southampton
Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 66

Fanny Eckton
Jane Kelly
Bernard McDermott
Henry Ensworth Wyatt


Steve.

Hey Steve,
This is after Bernard's first born and bit of a distance from lpool, so I'm not convinced with this one! Good find by way!
Cheers

 

[toffeetower]

Mary Ellen McDermott born 02 June 1867
Parents Jane and Bernard McDermott occupation PORTER,

 

[toffeetower]

Could this work? Maybe Sarah Jane ?

Bernardum McDermott
Marriage Date: 1 Jan 1861
Parish: St Peter Priory, Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name: Saram Dillon
Father's name: Bernardi Mcdermott
Spouse Father's Name: Francisci Dillon

 

[emeltee]

The Latinised names seem to imply a Catholic marriage yet at least two of Bernard and Jane's children were baptised in a C of E church.

Emeltee

 

[toffeetower]

Thanks emeltee.. Rules that one out...any other ideas guys?

 

[toffeetower]

I was thinking I should start from beginning to show I how I got to Bernard to see if I've gone off somewhere...all you clever genies can't be getting rumbled by this...must be me...bare with me I'll show my trail guys!

 

[toffeetower]

Ian David McDermott son of

David McDermott dob 15/06/1950 Aileen Robertson 11/11/1955

David's parents James McDermott dob 9th may 1908 Liverpool.mother Emma Jane Beatrice hill dob 2 Sep 1909 west Derby

James father is William E McDermott dob 4 th august 1878 Liverpool..mother Mary Bowman 21 Sep 1881 temple st Newcastle

I have GROs for all above last being William McDermott mothers maiden name Clapham 1878 S quarter in Liverpool volume 08b

Marriage date 6 Aug 1905....parish Liverpool st Simon, spouse name Mary bowman...fathers name Bernard McDermott, spouse father name James bowman
Ref number 283SIM/3/9
On the cert William...bachelor ...is a Carter...living 8 villeses st...Bernard is a labourer !

 

[toffeetower]

Ian David McDermott son of

David McDermott dob 15/06/1950 Aileen Robertson 11/11/1955

David's parents James McDermott dob 9th may 1908 Liverpool.mother Emma Jane Beatrice hill dob 2 Sep 1909 west Derby

James father is William E McDermott dob 4 th august 1878 Liverpool..mother Mary Bowman 21 Sep 1881 temple st Newcastle

I have GROs for all above last being William McDermott mothers maiden name Clapham 1878 S quarter in Liverpool volume 08b

Marriage date 6 Aug 1905....parish Liverpool st Simon, spouse name Mary bowman...fathers name Bernard McDermott, spouse father name James bowman
Ref number 283SIM/3/9
On the cert William...bachelor ...is a Carter...living 8 villeses st...Bernard is a labourer !

Please ask away with questions...we got to knock this wall down folks!