Bethnal Green Slaters

[rgu994]

I have the 1881 Census for Mary Slater 40, married, and her 3 daughters and 2 sons; no husband listed: Address is noted as 28 Viaduct Street London Middlesex England.

Can anyone please help with the 1991 and/or 18871 census for the same address/people so that I may get her husband name and 1991 details.

Many thanks
barbara

 

[josie7644]

Hello Barbara,

In 1871 Mary, aged 32 is a widow living at 3 George Street, Bethnal Green; her occupation is silk weaver. With her are daughters Ellen, 7 and Alice 5.

Ref: RG10/486/47/43

I had a look on A* for possible baptisms of Ellen and Alice, but they don’t show up!

On FreeBMD, there are numerous contenders for a Slater/Mary marriage in Bethnal Green between 1855 and 1865, so I wouldn’t like to hazard a guess!

Good luck!

Josie

 

[rgu994]

Thank you so much for responding.

This appears to be the right Mary Slater as she is listed as a Silk Weaver in 1881. Her daughters ages match too: Ellen 17 (Boot Upper Maker) Alice 14 (Tassel Maker) in 1881 - Address was Viaduct St

If she remarried between 1871 and 1881, why would her other children (Amy 7, Arthur 4 & Alfred 11w) in 1881 all have the surname 'Slater'? Would she have married her husband's brother, relative?)

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

If we assume Bethnal Green then one possible:

Births Mar 1864
SLATER Ellen Mary Bethnal Gn 1c 276

Births Mar 1866
Slater Alice Bethnal Green 1c 287

 

[josie7644]

Hello Barbara,

Working backwards here!

On 3rd June 1888, there is a marriage in Bethnal Green between Ellen Slater, 24 and Richard Carroway. The address for Ellen is 23 Seabright Street, and her father’s name is Charles, occupation weaver.

On 25th December 1897, there is a marriage in Bethnal Green between Alice Slater, 30 and Albert Beach. The address for Alice is 21 North Place, and her father’s name is Charles, occupation weaver (deceased).

The ages of the girls fit with the birth entries found by Dave, and with the ages given on the two census returns.

On FreeBMD, I have found a marriage in 1862, in Bethnal Green of Charles Robert Slater. There are two males on the page and just one female – Mary Ann Mears. (This means that the entry for the other female spouse has been mistranscribed.)

It’s not much to go on, but I hope it helps you to make some progress!

Best wishes,

Josie

 

[josie7644]

Hello again!

Further to the above, on 5th April 1908, there is a marriage in All Saints, Clapton between Alfred Ernest Slater, 27 and Annie Ethel Fielder. The address for Alfred is 20 Elderfield Road, Clapton, and his father’s name is Charles, occupation silk weaver.

Everything seems to be falling into place! :biggrin:

Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

I know Amy was born before this and I've not matched these couples, but:

Marriages Mar 1876
Chapell Elizabeth Wandsworth 1d 649
Resels Peter Martin Wandsworth 1d 649
SLATER Mary Ann Wandsworth 1d 649
SLATER William Thomas Wandsworth 1d 649

So far I can't see a death that fits for Charles. Two are too young and the other seems way too old.

 

[DaveHam9]

But Mary is a widow ? in 1871 ? And Alfred's father is Charles? Or is that by choice a lie? Perhaps Mary was deserted and didn't remarry? I need food.

So Charles is alive on 3 Jun 1888 and deceased by 25 Dec 1897. ??? Where is a death that fits?

But the 1908 marriage does not state Charles is deceased?

 

[rgu994]

So interesting......

I have found a Charles Robert slater b 07 may 1832 mile end old town London. Did the info on his marriage to Mary give his age?

Thanks again for your input
Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible marriage from FreeBMD so no age for Charles in 1862.

 

[josie7644]

Hello Barbara and Dave,

Just trying to tie up loose ends, here!

Sorry, I omitted the word “deceased” in the 1908 marriage!

Searches for marriages of Amy and Arthur produced no results, so no more help on that score!

The only silk weaver I can find in 1881 is a 73-year-old living with his wife Anne at 4 William Street, Bethnal Green. (They are at the same address in 1871.)

So, where to go next?

There is no further info on the 1862 marriage of Charles Robert Slater, that I can find, so at present we don’t have an age for Charles!

As Dave suggests in one of his posts, Mary may have been deserted, but continues to declare that she is a “wife”, as in 1881.

It’s also possible that she was a “single mum”, telling all her children that their father was called Charles. There’s also a chance that Charles the silk weaver of William Street was the father of her children. Maybe they worked at the same place. But this is merely speculation!

The purchase of a birth certificate for one of the children MAY just help, as it will show Mary’s maiden name.

Below are the references for the other three children.

Amy Slater, Q4 1873, Bethnal Green, 1c 223
Arthur Slater, Q3 1877, Bethnal Green, 1c 245
Alfred Ernest Slater, Q2 1880, Bethnal Green, 1c 219

If I find anything else, I’ll get back!

Best wishes,

Josie

 

[woodlander]

Wow Josie you're working well so early

Haven't had enough caffeine to catch up with you yet, well done that girl :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Just a quick one Josie. There are 5 children. Oh. I mentioned the other 2.

So Charles is alive on 3 Jun 1888 and deceased by 25 Dec 1897. Where is a death that fits?

One thing I have noticed. There are lots of SLATER births registered before 1870 in Bethnal Green.

 

[rgu994]

Jodie

update:
Arthur slater married Ellen Foss who was born in 1882 bow London - is there any record for a slater-Foss marriage?

Thanks
Barbara

 

[josie7644]

Jodie

update:
Arthur slater married Ellen Foss who was born in 1882 bow London - is there any record for a slater-Foss marriage?

Thanks
Barbara

Hello Barbara,

According to FreeBMD, Arthur and Ellen married in the Hackney RD in the third quarter of 1905.

Sadly, no details of this marriage appear on either A* or on FS!

Isn't that just typical?

Josie

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
These are my thoughts about Mary. They need confirming

In 1861 there is a Mary Ann Mears 22 a silk weaver b. B.Green living with wid mother Mary 55, and siblings George 30, Joseph 15, all b B. Green living 4, Bonners lane. Mary is a 32 yr old silk weaver in 1871.

There is a marriage in B.Green in Dec 1862 of a Charles Robert Slater. Possible wives Mary Ann Mears or Mary Ann Lawrence. I cannot find a M.A Lawrence born in B. Green in 1839 +/- Charles/Mary's first child Ellen was born less than a couple of years later in 1864

In 1861 there is a Charles Slater 20 born and living in B. Green with parents Gilbert 54 Brixton, Maria 52 Woodford and siblings Edward J.P 22, Elizabeth 19, Harriet 18, Gilbert 16 and Maria 14 all b B.Green ex Edward, Newington.

There was 7 years between Alice and Amy. Dave H found a possible marriage of Mary Ann Slater and a William Thomas Slater in Wandsworth in 1876. Amy was born a couple of years before this but, William and Ann may have lived together before they married. If Charles died/left between 1866 and 1871, Mary would be a wid in 1871. If she then married William in 1876, she would be mar in 1881 and her children would be Slaters. This matches the census records.
I can't remember if you got the 1901 census record, but if not Mary 64 again a Wid is living with sons Arthur 23 and Alfred 20, at 190 Old Ford Rd, B. Green

dave

 

[rgu994]

Thank you Dave - I did not get the 1901 census only the 1911, so many thanks.

Lawrence or Laurence makes sense; as Arthur's second son was called Aubrey Lawrence (sometimes spelt Laurence) Slater.

Thank you again for You help
Barbara

 

[josie7644]

Hello,

No wonder I couldn’t find the marriage, as Charles Robert Slater is transcribed as Water on A*!

On Christmas Day 1862, Charles Robert Slater married Mary Ann Mears at St Simon Zelotes in Bethnal Green. They were both aged 24.

Charles’ address was 5 King Street and his father was called Joseph, weaver.

Mary Ann’s address was 4 Banner Street and her father was called George, weaver

The two witnesses were Ebenezer Mears and Elizabeth Matilda Mears.

Josie


Edit: Banner Street ties in well with Dave's discovery of Bonners Lane in 1861.

 

[davelambert271]

If Charles Robert is correct husband,
This is 1861 census for Charles living in King St - age a bit out
1861 England Census

Civil parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Great
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: King St

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 11

Piece: 259 Folio: 69 Page Number: 4

Joseph Slater 74 All SIlk Weavers born Middlesex
Susan Slater 72 Blind
John Slater 47
William Slater 35
Charles Slater 30

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You have details of 1861 for Mary, but here's 1851 which includes Ebenezer who was probably married to the other witness Elizabeth

MEARS, George Head Married M 45 1806 Silk Weaver Bethnal Green Middlesex
MEARS, Mary Wife Married F 44 1807 Weaverss Bethnal Green Middlesex
MEARS, George Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Box Maker Bethnal Green Middlesex
MEARS, Ebenezer Son M 15 1836 Shop Lad Bethnal Green Middlesex
MEARS, Mary Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Bethnal Green Middlesex
MEARS, Joseph Son M 5 1846 Scholar Bethnal Green Middlesex

Piece:1540 Folio:559 Page:17
Registration District: Bethnal Green

Civil Parish:Bethnal Green
Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 4, Bonner Street, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets Middlesex


dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Great work and lots fits but...

Further to the above, on 5th April 1908, there is a marriage in All Saints, Clapton between Alfred Ernest Slater, 27 and Annie Ethel Fielder. The address for Alfred is 20 Elderfield Road, Clapton, and his father’s name is Charles, occupation silk weaver.

Alfred Ernest Slater, Q2 1880, Bethnal Green, 1c 219

...how do we reconcile father as Charles?

I tried to match these couples in 1881 and couldn't:

Marriages Mar 1876
Chapell Elizabeth Wandsworth 1d 649
Resels Peter Martin Wandsworth 1d 649
SLATER Mary Ann Wandsworth 1d 649
SLATER William Thomas Wandsworth 1d 649