Betty/Elizabeth BALL

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

1881
Dwelling Ashton Rd
Census Place Golborne, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341909
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3801 / 23
Page Number 40
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Simon BALL Head M Male 66 Golborne, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Elizabeth BALL Wife M Female 65 Culcheth, Lancashire, England Miners Wife

Simeon died in Wigan RD in 1889.

Please see if Betty/Elizabeth can be found in 1891. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[sparklingtechie]

I have found one staying as a visitor with roughly the same age and roughly the same area but this is the closest. Now due to not knowing if I can post the info on thread like you have done(I have been told 2 different things by 2 different mods ) I am going to message you with the info

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Dave
I wonder if this is your Elizabeth. Right age and I think Culcheth is just in Warrington District
Ball Elizabeth 71 Warrington Sept qtr 1886 ref 8c 86

Google - 'Culcheth, Cheshire, is a large village approximately 6 miles (10 km) north-east of Warrington, England.'

dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello sparklingtechie,

Thanks. Probably unlikely given stated place of birth and location. If it had stated "miner's widow" I would look very closely.

I would say there is no problem posting census details for all except 1911 and if there is still doubt about this then add:

Crown copyright material is reproduced with the permission of the Controller of HMSO

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Dave,

Thanks for looking. Interesting how the census has Culcheth in Lancashire.

You might be right about that death.

I have some children I need to trace too.

Regards,

Dave

 

[sparklingtechie]

Hello sparklingtechie,

Thanks. Probably unlikely given stated place of birth and location. If it had stated "miner's widow" I would look very closely.

I would say there is no problem posting census details for all except 1911 and if there is still doubt about this then add:

Crown copyright material is reproduced with the permission of the Controller of HMSO

Regards,

Dave

I tried that and my post got edited I was told I could not post census info and no it wasn't the 1911 one either. Sorry I didn't do a good job helping with the name.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello sparklingtechie,

NP, I was thinking more along the line she was still alive and therefore could be found.

Curious. I will inquire.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Dave,

I'll get round to it later today.

Have a look tomorrow please.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Dave,

1871 U.K census
Civil Parish: Golborne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Leigh
BALL Simeon, head 1820 age 51 Coal Miner Golborne, Lancashire
BALL Betty, wife 1817 age 54 Coal Miner's Wife Culcheth, Lancashire

The first thing to check is that there are no children with them in 1871.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Dave,

1881
Dwelling 40 Parrot St
Census Place Great Bolton, Lancashire, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3841 / 146 Page Number 19

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Adam GREGORY Head M Male 40 Leigh, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Amelia GREGORY Wife M Female 38 Golborne, Lancashire, England
John T. GREGORY Son Male 12 Bolton, Lancashire, England Scholar
James GREGORY Son Male 9 Bolton, Lancashire, England Scholar

Please see if you can find them at the same address in 1871. Also with them should be Amelia's sister Ann BALL b. abt 1855 Golbourne.
(Curiously Ann is not with her parents in 1861 census)
Ann & Amelia are two of 11 children so I'll be going through them in turn.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1871 U.K Census
Civil Parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Eastern
Address: Parrot Street, Great Bolton, Bolton

GREGORY, Adam Head M 31 1840 Cotton Weaver Lowton Common, Lancashire
GREGORY, Amelia Wife F 28 1843 Golborne, Lancashire
GREGORY, John T Son M 3 1868 Bolton, Lancashire
NELSON, Betsy Lodger F 19 1852 Heaton, Lancashire
HELM, Alice Lodger F 27 1844 Bolton, Lancashire
BALL, Ann Lodger F 16 1855 Golborne, Lancashire

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Ann is a curious one. If she is a sister then why was she not with her parents and siblings in 1861? And what happened to her after
1871? Well, I've been told she is a sister however because it says lodger it could just be coincidence her name is BALL.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Please see if you can follow Amelia through to 1911. Thanks.


I have no marriage and no death for Ann so for now I'll remove her from the list of children.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1891 U.K Census
Civil Parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton
Address: 17, Hammond Street, Great Bolton, Bolton

GREGORY, Adam Head Married M 50 1841 Grocer Leigh Lancashire
GREGORY, Amelia Wife Married F 48 1843 Golbrone Lancashire
GREGORY, James Son Single M 17 1874 Weaver Cotton Bolton Lancashire
GREGORY, Amelia Daughter F 4 1887 Bolton Lancashire


1901 U.K Census
Civil Parish: Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Bolton le Moors Emmanuel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton
Address: 82 & 84, Noble Street, Bolton, Town

GREGORY, Adam Head Married M 60 1841 Retired Gentleman Leigh Lancashire
GREGORY, Amelia Wife Married F 58 1843 Golborne Lancashire
GREGORY, James Son Single M 29 1872 Grocer Bolton Lancashire
GREGORY, Amelia Daughter Single F 14 1887 Bolton Lancashire


1911 U.K Census
Parish: Bolton
Registration District: Bolton
Sub District: Princes South West Bolton
County: Lancashire
Address: 158 Deane Church Lane Daubhill

GREGORY, Amelia Head Widow F 69 1842 None Golburn
GREGORY JUNR, Amelia Daughter Single F 24 1887 Cotton Winder Bolton

(widow married 50 years)
Total children 5 (3 living, 2 dead)

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Amelia is one of 10 (or 11) children. Some ended up in Australia, some married and stayed in England and others just vanished.

Younger sister Betsy married also:

Marriages Dec 1876
Thornley William Bolton 8c 383
BALL Betsey Bolton 8c 383

Lancs BMD Ball Betsy Thornley William Bolton St. Peter 18/26/229

William Thornley......21years.......Bachelor ....Ironturner....317 Lever Street Bolton. Son of Thomas Thornley...Ironturner

Betsy Ball.......20 Years ......Spinster.....No occupation listed.....Parrot Street Bolton. Daughter of Simeon Ball.....Collier

On the 25th December 1876.....the Parish Church...Bolton le Moors in the county of Lancaster

In the presence of ......John Thornley and Mary Ellen Fielding
All parties signed

Betsy should be living in Bolton not far from Amelia in 1871 but seems she has not been found by other researchers.

Variation: Betsy, Betsey, Betty
c. 25 Jan 1857 Lowton, Lancashire, England
Simeon BALL & Ann

Please see if you have any luck finding her in 1871. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Sorry I can't find Betsy, Betsey, Betty in 1871.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. Oh well.

I've had some luck with a few of her siblings.

1881
Dwelling 14 West Peel Street
Census Place Salford, Lancashire, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3970 / 58 Page Number 34
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William JOHNSON Head M Male 34 Woodley, Cheshire, England Lurryman (Carrier)
Jane JOHNSON Wife M Female 41 Golborne, Lancashire, England
Albert E. JOHNSON Son Male 9 Salford, Lancashire, England Scholar
Martha A. JOHNSON Daur Female 6 Salford, Lancashire, England Scholar
Amelia JOHNSON Daur Female 3 Salford, Lancashire, England Scholar
Carrie JOHNSON Daur Female 1 Salford, Lancashire, England
Simeon BALL Boarder U Male 21 Golborne, Lancashire, England Goods Porter
Thomas HOOSON Boarder U Male 45 Flixton, Lancashire, England Lurryman

Please see if you can find Simeon b. 1859 Golborne in 1871. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Not sure if there are two Simeon's or just the one.

Births Sep 1859
BALL Simeon Leigh 8c 160
BALL Simeon Burnley 8e 185


I can only find one Simeon BALL born 1860 Golborne in 1871 (image reads son) of Hiram & Alice.

*NOTE*
Ann BALL born 1855 Golborne in 1861 (image reads niece) of Hiram & Alice.

I wonder if error in 1871 for Simeon should be nephew.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. Interesting. Mine is the Leigh one for sure.

I didn't know there was one born in Burnley RD.

Hiram & Alice are unknown to me.

Marriages Jun 1859
Ball Hiram Leigh 8C 193
FEARNS Alice Leigh 8c 193
Greenhalgh Alice Leigh 8c 193
Unsworth Peter Leigh 8c 193

Only one other thought. Did you also look for Simon in case of transcription error?

From what I've found so far very few left the Leigh RD area (Lowton, Leigh, Golborne).

Marriages Dec 1885
Ball Simeon Leigh 8c 265
Bennett Samuel Leigh 8c 265
Bullock Agnes Leigh 8c 265
Dunn Jane Leigh 8c 265

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Yes with a name like that I searched SIM*

Hiram born c1823 Golborne.

cheers
crankypants