Birth medial records

[PJon]

I think my grandmother was actually her sisters child and I am trying to establish who my great grandparents were. I only found out this week, that the man she thought was her father actually died a long time before she was born. My grandmother is no longer with us.

I want to try and get hold of the medical/birth records from her birth. She is from Barnwell, Northamptonshire. Nearest town was Oundle

Is this even possible?

 

[gibbo]

Do you know your grandmother's name at birth and what year if known.

You would have to obtain your grandmother's birth cert. to see who her birth mother was.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search

 

[Ellie7]

I see there was an Army camp there in 1939 .Not sure of your timeline .A lot of illigit children were born to soldiers living in camps .


ellie

 

[PJon]

Re: Birth medial records (Grandmothers birth year)

My Grandmother was Elizabeth Baker and was born on 06 May 1918 at Barnwell Mill. Her Mum was 49 and her sister was 18 at the time.
Her birth certificate indicates her Mother was Mary Elizabeth Baker, but Father is blank.
She also left the Mill and went to work at Barnwell castle and got her own home.

 

[gibbo]

Free bmd

Births Jun 1918
Baker Elizabeth Mother's maiden name Travis
District Oundle Volume 3b Page 274

 

[gibbo]

I think my grandmother was actually her sisters child

Is there anything that makes you think that?

It is very possible for her to have a child at 49 and been a widow she obviously had a relationship with someone and had a child.

 

[gibbo]

BAKER, KATHLEEN MARY Mothers maiden name TRAVIS
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 646

 

[p.risboy]

1939 register.

Oundle & Thrapston. R.D. Northants.

Elizabeth Clarke(Baker) 1918.
+Mary Baker, and one other.

 

[gibbo]

Name Kathleen Mary Baker
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Barnwell, Barnwell Mills Near Oundle, Northamptonshire, England
County Northamptonshire
Parish Barnwell
Sub-District Oundle
Registration District Oundle
Age 10
Occupation SCHOOL
Birth Year (Estimated) 1901
Birthplace Chatham, Kent
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
George Frederick Baker Head M 74 Dundle
Frances Baker Wife F 63 Benefield
Arthur Baker Son M 34 Barnwell Mills
Lancelot Baker Son M 30 Barnwell Mills
Walter Baker Son M 24 Barnwell Mills
Alexander Baker Son M 21
Mary Elizabeth Baker Daughter-in-law F 30 Gillingham, Kent
Kathleen Mary Baker Granddaughter F 10 Chatham, Kent
Edith May Dutley Servant F 19 Shepherds Bush London, London

 

[gibbo]

Re: Birth medial records (Grandmothers birth year)

My Grandmother was Elizabeth Baker and was born on 06 May 1918 at Barnwell Mill. Her Mum was 49 and her sister was 18 at the time.
Her birth certificate indicates her Mother was Mary Elizabeth Baker, but Father is blank.
She also left the Mill and went to work at Barnwell castle and got her own home.

Was Barnwell Mill the actual place of birth or is there a hospital noted as place of birth?

Who registered the birth?

If possible can you post all the info on the birth certificate please. It might help to be able to put us on the right road.

Im wondering if

1. The birth info is correct and the mother stated on the cert. is the actual mother.
2. If Elizabeth wasnt born in a hospital if her grandmother registered her as her own child.
3. Why do you feel that Elizabeth may not be Mary's child?

Either way no father is noted so would be a very slim chance of finding out who he was.

 

[Ellie7]

https://catalogue.millsarchive.org/barnwell-mill



A working Mill, so she would have to leave after husbands death, or perhaps worked it herself during war years.

ellie

 

[gibbo]

Nothing to do with your query but might be of interest.

Northamptonshire Record Office

26. Barnwell Mil l
1 Typed article , also ms.
2 Notes of the Bakers who were millers and farmers there.

 

[Ellie7]

Baker Household (3 People)
No 24 , Oundle and Thrapston R.D., Northamptonshire, England

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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB *** OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Mary Baker 02 Jun 1880 Female Household Duties Paid Widowed 55 1
Michael McNeill 25 Aug 1916 Male Gardener Single 55 2
Elizabeth Clarke (Baker) 06 May 1918 Female Cashier Single 55 3

Is that Mary Elizabeth Baker nee Travis b2june1880 would make her 39 when Elizabeth was born.

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

MARY E
Last name BAKER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1880
Age 77
Death quarter 3
Death year 1957
District Peterborough
County Northamptonshire
Volume 3B
Page 564
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

This Mary Elizabeth Baker nee Travis Death?

 

[PJon]

Re: Birth medial records (certificate)

Thank you so much for your replies.
The reason I think Elizabeth may not be Mary’s child is because she always said John Baker was and so did Elizabeth’s husband (my Grandfather).said he died when she was a baby. But John Baker died in 1903.
Mary lived in the Mill and the Baker brothers did various businesses in the village. Not sure when the Mill was sold or who took over.

The birth certificate (which I have) says:
When where born : Sixth May 1918, Barnwell Mill, Barnwell, Northants
Name: Elizabeth
***: Girl
Name of Father : struck through
Name of Mother: Mary Elizabeth Baker formally Travis
Occupation of father : struck through
Signature description of informant: Mary E. Baker, Mother, Barnwell Mill, Barnwell
When registered : 28 May 1918
Signature of registrar: Margaret R Shelmeudine Deputy

 

[Ellie7]

Mary E
Last name Travis
*** Female
Birth year 1880
Place Gillingham
Country England
Type Armed Forces
Regiment Royal Engineers
Archive General Register Office
Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Record's year range 1880
Volume 729
Page 18
Line number 27
Archive reference REG1
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms

Ellie

 

[PJon]

https://catalogue.millsarchive.org/barnwell-mill



A working Mill, so she would have to leave after husbands death, or perhaps worked it herself during war years.

ellie

Thank you. It’s a beautiful Mill. My Grandmother once took me there.

 

[PJon]

Baker Household (3 People)
No 24 , Oundle and Thrapston R.D., Northamptonshire, England

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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB *** OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Mary Baker 02 Jun 1880 Female Household Duties Paid Widowed 55 1
Michael McNeill 25 Aug 1916 Male Gardener Single 55 2
Elizabeth Clarke (Baker) 06 May 1918 Female Cashier Single 55 3

Is that Mary Elizabeth Baker nee Travis b2june1880 would make her 39 when Elizabeth was born.

Ellie

Yes that is my great grandmother. So young enough to have a baby.
My great grandmother (Mary) worked at Barnwell castle and as part of her job was given a house at no 24 Barnwell.

 

[Ellie7]

George F Baker Head Married Male 44 1837 Oundle, Northamptonshire, England Farmer Of 350 Acres Employing 11 Men & 4 Boys & 1 Miller Transcription
John Baker Son Single Male 11 1870 Northamptonshire, England Scholar Transcription
George Baker Son Single Male 9 1872 Northamptonshire, England Scholar Transcription
Henry Baker Son Single Male 7 1874 Northamptonshire, England Scholar Transcription
Arthur Baker Son Single Male 4 1877 Northamptonshire, England - Transcription
Edith J Baker Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Northamptonshire, England - Transcription
Mary Ann Baker Mother Widow Female 67 1814 Northamptonshire, England Annuita

John and Mary Elizabeth had a son Born c1899 India.

 

[PJon]

If Elizabeth’s Mum is her mother then my grandmother is not a blood relative of the Bakers. If she was born to Kathleen (her sister), then she is.

It’s quite emotional really because we have always been very proud of our Baker line, but we may not be Bakers now at all.

I did discover my Travis side of the family this week and they were Royal Engineers. I may take a trip down to Kent to see their house and the local museum.

Funny thing was Mary didn’t bring her son John Baker - born in India Karachi (named after his Dad) with her to the Mill. No idea where he went. He was in my grandmothers wedding photos, so I know he didn’t die.
I will look into him next and Kathleen. Maybe I have Travis relatives still alive