Brick wall needs a genius to figure it out

[Hayleylouuxxx]

Hello everyone, I’m Hayley
Hoping one of you legends can help me,

James Mason
17/11/1905 born Packmoor wolstanton Uk to a Joseph Mason DOB unknown and Sarah Ann Tuner DOB unknown, I’ve searched and searched for them and found some things but o don’t believe it’s the right info.. no marriage details etc … Can anyone Help?
James had a brother also called Joseph who died 19/02/1919 and is buried at Hordley Cemetery. He had a brother called George as well. At some point all the children were put into an orphanage for reasons unknown and what became of Joseph and Sarah Ann is also unknown.

I have James Mason 17/11/1905 born packmoor wolstanton, married Elizabeth Crowther and he died 1941 he has a son and daughter John James Mason and Elizabeth, his brothers were George and Joseph.. Joseph died 19/02/1919 and is buried at Hordley war cemetery.. here’s where I’m stuck.. birth certificate for James lists Joseph Mason and Sarah Ann Turner. I can’t find anything for these not even their marriage. Help would be appreciated. Thank you

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.

Best to keep it all together.

I'm sure members here will try to help.

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Do you have the family on the 1911 uk census? Or were they put in the orphanage before then?

 

[DaveHam9]

MASON, JAMES - TURNER
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 99

MASON, GEORGE HENRY - TURNER
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 120


Birth for son Joseph ?

 

[DaveHam9]

JOSEPH MASON
Service Number: 12710
Regiment & Unit/Ship
King's Shropshire Light Infantry
8th Bn.
Date of Death
Died 19 February 1919
Age 22 years old
Buried or commemorated at
HORDLEY (ST. MARY) CHURCHYARD EXTENSION
I. 3.
United Kingdom
Commonwealth War Graves Commission - Headstone Placeholder
Country of Service
United Kingdom
Additional Info
Son of Joseph and Sarah Ann Mason.

 

[Bootzy]

Hi Hayley,
UK Navy Registers of seaman’s service has:
James Mason b 17 Nov 1905 Packmoor Chell Tunstall Stafford - 1st service 23 Nov 1926 to 6 April 1927 on “Pembroke 11” - service no: KX 77405

Joseph Mason died on demobilization furlough 18 Feb 1919 Ryl Salop Infirmary Shrewsbury leaving his personal effect/money to brothers George Henry & James – he was a Private in Shropshire Light Infantry – reg no: 12710 – age 21

Only birth registered for a Joseph Mason with mm Turner is Sept qtr Congleton Vol 8a page 316
and for brother George Henry – Sept qtr 1903 Wolstanton Vol 6b page 120
did George Henry die 1 Oct 1917

 

[DaveHam9]

Where is Joseph junior in 1901?

I can't find any of them in 1911.

 

[DaveHam9]

A possible in 1901 with other children to check.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS77-J9K

MASON, EMMA - TURNER
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 119

MASON, JESSIE - TURNER
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in MACCLESFIELD Volume 08A Page 138


I'm not sure as Turner is a common name.

The hamlet of Stanton Hill is in RD Mansfield but I can't find a birth reg for Annie E Mason who fits the census.

Armitage is in RD Lichfield but again I can't find a birth reg for Alice M Mason who fits the census.

 

[DaveHam9]

It is a common name so may not be correct one.

Births Dec Qtr 1864
TURNER Sarah Lichfield 6b 362

A second marriage for Sarah ?? Again, I'm not sure yet.

Marriages Dec Qtr 1891
Mason Joseph Wolstanton 6b 179
Phillips Sarah Ann Wolstanton 6b 179
Taylor Blanche Wolstanton 6b 179
Warrilow George Wolstanton 6b 179

 

[Bootzy]

On Joseph’s effects to his brothers also has note see 571/929785 – which if I read correctly is Registry No: wonder if contacting them might have more info on the above (UK Army – Soldiers Effects Record, looks like it’s in ref to George Henry

Joseph’s was 521/727797
regards
Val

 

[DaveHam9]

Odd Rode from the census in post #8 is in this RD.

MASON, JOSEPH - TURNER
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 316

Another possible. Walton from that census is in this RD.

Births Mar Qtr 1861
MASON Joseph Chesterfield 7b 518

 

[Hayleylouuxxx]

Thank you everyone, I don’t have much information as everyone who would know anything has now passed away so it’s all information from their children etc, I was told that they was fostered under the surname Sutton if that helps, it’s also possible that it was Sarah’s second marriage but I have no idea, while I’ve been trying to find Joseph and Sarah Ann I’ve found information relating to the surname Finney but again not sure if it’s correct? Also with Joseph links to Scotland but again I have know idea if any of that’s correct .. sorry I’m not very good at all this ☹️

 

[DaveHam9]

It's a brick wall and hard to break down.

Other members may be able to find something that rules in or out a lot of the details posted.

 

[Hayleylouuxxx]

Hi Hayley,
UK Navy Registers of seaman’s service has:
James Mason b 17 Nov 1905 Packmoor Chell Tunstall Stafford - 1st service 23 Nov 1926 to 6 April 1927 on “Pembroke 11” - service no: KX 77405

Joseph Mason died on demobilization furlough 18 Feb 1919 Ryl Salop Infirmary Shrewsbury leaving his personal effect/money to brothers George Henry & James – he was a Private in Shropshire Light Infantry – reg no: 12710 – age 21

Only birth registered for a Joseph Mason with mm Turner is Sept qtr Congleton Vol 8a page 316
and for brother George Henry – Sept qtr 1903 Wolstanton Vol 6b page 120
did George Henry die 1 Oct 1917

 

[Hayleylouuxxx]

With regards to George dying in 1917 I don’t think that’s him as I know my Granny Elizabeth who married James was originally in a relationship with George which would mean he was still alive in 1917?! I would think 🤔

 

[DaveHam9]

The marriage is ruled out.

Joseph Mason
Age 32
Father's Name Samuel Mason
Spouse's Name Sarah Ann Phillips
Spouse's Age 27
Spouse's Father's Name George Phillips
Marriage18 Nov 1891
Event Place Cobridge, Staffordshire, England


I can't find the marriage of a Joseph Mason to a Sarah Ann Turner in England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland.

 

[Hayleylouuxxx]

What’s happened then I’m so confused !!!

 

[Hayleylouuxxx]

That’s James birth certificate

 

[DaveHam9]

Coal miner fits.

It means Sarah did not first marry a Phillips.

If the census in post #8 is correct then I can't find Joseph in 1891, 1881 or 1871 census born Derbyshire abt 1861.

 

[Hayleylouuxxx]

ahh okay, it’s so tricky. I feel I may never know about them, I wouldn’t know how to ever find out either. I contacted someone and they quoted me £8000 to research my family for me, if only I was rich haha