Burma adivse required - update from 2013 post here

[andygibb]

My Great Grandfather - James Gibb married Jane Waddell in Rangoon on 11th October 1880. He had 4 daughters with Jane some of whom were also born in Burma. After their fourth daughter was born James and Jane separated.
After this James then had a relationship with Jane Carter Younger and they had a son, James Rosenfeld Gibb born in Burma on 27th September 1901 - this is my grandfather, my fathers father. At some point the three of them returned to Scotland but later James Snr returned to Burma, and died there in Rangoon on 8th June 1912.
We never knew that James Snr had been married to Jane Waddell and had four daughters until I started researching my family tree years ago, and discovered a number of statements in the Edinburgh Gazette and the London Gazette (which I can provide anyone with a copy of ) dated after his death, where people he owed money to named all the family (including my very young grandfather) as they were looking to recover some debts due from my late great grandfather. We had always assumed he was married to Jane Carter Younger but he had not!

The point of my thread is that I can not find any confirmed details of the family line prior to James snr. We do not know how we can find if James Snrs grave still exists in Burma, and can not find any records of his movements back and forward from the UK and Burma. Could anyone point me in the right direction here as this story has begun to obsessionally interest me!

Any help or advice would be greatly received.

Best wishes

Andy Gibb

 

[Ellie7]

East India Company comes to mind .Started in Stirlingshire. They have their own records place in London Have you any idea of age at death, or are there any family middle names .Do you know where James jnr. got his middle name from.

https://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/simplesearchsummarycat.php?mode=q

May be worth a look through.

Edit-http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/58926e4c-87a4-4070-9a1a-60e769ca76d5

Sorry that site never took ,here it is in short.
http://tinyurl.com/yaqz88l4

 

[Ellie7]

When the EI company left India some of their people joined the Brittish Army.

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

James Gibb died 8 June 1912 Ragoon ,Engineer and Contractor ,59 1/2 Probate to Jane Younger ,commonly known as Jane Younger Gibb

British India Office Wills & Probate
Rangoon, Bengal

Burial -09 Jun 1912
Rangoon
Presidence-Bengal
Archive ReferenceN-1-381
Folio
Page373

 

[Ellie7]

If 59 1/2 is his age when he died ,then the East India Company is not involved with him. Have you looked at Scotlands Land register for where he was in Linlithgow, and who had the house before him.

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

History of Burma under British Rule.

https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/BurmaUnderBritishRule_10121384

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Entry from Transcription of Bengal Marriage Indexes 1874 - 1896
Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1880
Husband First Names James H.
Husband Surname Gibb
Wife First Names Jane
Wife Surname Waddell
Prefix N1
Source Year 1880
Volume Number 174
Folio 158
LDS Film Reference 510864

Edit - Familysearch -
http://tinyurl.com/y9rhrtlt

 

[Ellie7]

This looks interesting

William Gibbs
Gender Male
Burial Date 16 Sep 1903
Burial Place Calcutta, Bengal, India
Death Date 15 Sep 1903
Age 57
Birth Date 1846
Occupation Permanent Way Inspector
Race White
Marital Status Unknown

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Colonies and dependencies - The National Archives

relating to India and to territories administered from India, as well as records of the East India Company

Source: The National Archives Website: Research Guides


Ellie

 

[andygibb]

East India Company comes to mind .Started in Stirlingshire. They have their own records place in London Have you any idea of age at death, or are there any family middle names .Do you know where James jnr. got his middle name from.

https://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/simplesearchsummarycat.php?mode=q

May be worth a look through.

Edit-http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/58926e4c-87a4-4070-9a1a-60e769ca76d5

Sorry that site never took ,here it is in short.
http://tinyurl.com/yaqz88l4

Thanks for your help here.

My Grandad's middle name is something that has fascinated me too.

I believe from previous research it is a German Jewish name but there is no known connection to anyone with that name.

It all really is all a puzzle but hopefully I will get to the bottom of it. I have been trying to solve all the mystery for about ten years now!!!

All good fun,

Thanks for your help.

Best regards

Andy

 

[Ellie7]

research services at the India Office Records at the British Library and certain other London Archives

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

https://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/home.aspx

May be worth a trip to NLS in Edinburgh-Not sure now ,nothing coming up on their Online Site

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Only 2 deaths of Waddle found
Waddell
Forename(s) Lance Corporal James Maclagan
Date of death 1915
Place name Meerut
Cemetery Cantonment
Province/ State Uttar Pradesh
Cemetery Record Book Meerut, vol 2, p89

Surname Waddell
Forename(s) Emily Onslow
Title/ Occupation Miss
Date of death 26/02/1846
Place name Bhowanipore
Cemetery Military Burial Ground
Age 11m 14d
1st relative: surname Waddell
1st relative: forenames Captain & Mrs.
Cemetery Record Book The Bengal Obituary, p259

Good years apart
Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

There are Rosenfeld in the Passenger lists in FBIS

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

For those with ancestors who went to India the Families in British India Society is a good place to visit. There are databases and transcripts open to all. Even more is available to those who join the Society.
The British Library India Office has a searchable database of 300000 plus names of births, marriages and deaths in India.

http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/Links/India.aspx


ellie

 

[rupert]

Falkirk Herald 20 November 1880
GIBB - WADDELL marriage


Alloa Advertiser 9 May 1903
BARR - GIBB marriage

Rupert

 

[Ellie7]

1901
Name:--Margaret Gibb
Age:--16
Estimated birth year:--abt 1885
Relationship:--Daur (Daughter)
Mother's name:--Jane Gibb
Gender:--Female
Where born:--India
Registration Number:--467
Registration district:--Dollar
Civil Parish:--Dollar
Town:--Dollar
County:--Clackmannanshire
Address:--North View No 1
Occupation:--Scholar
ED:--1
Household schedule number:--32
LINE:--4
Roll:--CSSCT1901_152
Household Members:
Name
Age
Jane Gibb 45 -c1856 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Helen Gibb 18 -c1883 Polmont, stirlingshire
Margaret Gibb 16 -c1885 INDIA
Mary Gibb 14 -c1887 Polmont, stirlingshire

Edit-
GIBB
HELEN WADDELL
F 1882
487/ 130
Polmont

Should think you already have these Scots records.
ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Only 1 i'v found


James Gray Gibb
Gender
Male
Birth Date
01 Nov 1858
Birthplace
FALKIRK,STIRLING,SCOTLAND
Father's Name
Matthew Gibb
Mother's Name
Catherine Crawford


1871

Name:--Mathew Gibb
Age:--45
Estimated birth year:--abt 1826
Relationship:--Head
Spouse's name :--Margaret Gibb
Gender:--Male
Where born:--Carriden, Linlithgow

Ellie
Registration Number:--664
Registration district:--Carriden
Civil Parish:--Carriden
County:--West Lothian
Occupation:--Labourer
ED:--3
Household schedule number:---52
LINE:--17
Roll:---CSSCT1871_152
Household Members:
Name
Age
Mathew Gibb 45
Margaret Gibb 45 -c1826 Carriden, Linlithgow
Catharine Gibb 14 -c1856 Falkirk, stirlingshire
James Gibb 12 -c1859 Falkirk, stirlingshire
Mary Gibb 10c1861 Falkirk, stirlingshire


Mary Weir Gibb
Gender
Female
Birth Date
04 Aug 1860
Birthplace
FALKIRK,STIRLING,SCOTLAND
Father's Name
Matthew Gibb
Mother's Name
Catherine Crawford

 

[Ellie7]

Matthew Gibb
Gender
Male
Christening Date
24 Nov 1822
Christening Place
, CARRIDEN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date
14 Nov 1822
Father's Name
Richard Gibb
Mother's Name
Mary Weir

Only 1 found one FS ,but he must have been married twice.

Matthew Gibb
Spouse's Name
Margaret Cairns
Event Date
09 Oct 1863
Event Place
Polmont,Stirling,Scotland


Matthew Gibb
Spouse's Name
Catharine Crawford
Event Date
27 Jun 1854
Event Place
Laurieston Presbyterian,Falkirk,Stirling,Scotland



GIBB
CATHERINE 35
1862
479/2 92
Falkirk Landward
B abt 1829
Falkirk, Stirling

 

[Ellie7]

Funny. The reason I have FIBIS on by Database, is years ago on GR I was helping a man in New Zealand ,who had a direct ancestor in India and came from Falkirk. He was with the India Company, and farther back .

Ellie