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Byrne family in South Africa

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My family - The Kemp's had told me that a Gerald had gone to South Africa and had never been heard from again! Naturally I was fascinated but soon realised it was actually that my relation Eliza Kemp (b 1860 Ramsgate, Kent) who had married Gerald James Byrne (b approx. 1853 in Liverpool according to census but cannot find records to confirm this) and some time between 1893 and 1897 they obviously shipped themselves off to South Africa with their two daughters: Edith Ellen Byrne - b 1891 Kent, and Catherine Alberta Jane Byrne b 1893 and then in South Africa had Ethel Violet Byrne b 1897.

All I've found of them since then was Eliza's death in 1914 and Catherine Alberta Jane's marriage age 26 to a Cyril Louis Pfuhl (age 24) in 1921 - they had a son a year later but his baptism record said 'dead' at the side and no godparents were listed - not sure if he was baptised after death?!

They seem to have been in the Cape of Good Hope, Salt River, Maitland area.

After this I've got no idea what happened to Gerald (or who he even really was as I couldn't find his birth) or the other girls or if there's any descendents or the line died out and that was why they were thought of as 'never heard from again'? Any help or tips appreciated - South African research is a bit new to me! :eek:
 

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Thank you for that but still no luck. I find it hard to think how they could have all disappeared. Also the daughter that married Cyril Louis Pfuhl - I wonder if they'd have kept that surname or if it would have been changed?
 
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I am living in South Africa and have in the past couple of days found a Gerald Byrne connected to my tree.
I think it is the same Gerald you are talking about, but I still have to confirm if he is the correct Gerald.
If you are interested I have his death notice and his wife's Eliza Kemp.
I have located a couple of Pfuhl in SA , so will be phoning them to confirm if they are connected to Gerald and Eliza.
My ancestor was Mary Bryne married to James Kearney and I think Gerald Byrne was her brother which I am trying to confirm.

Mary's son died in 1896 in Maitland where the family all seemed to be living and a Gerald Byrne signed the death notice as the uncle.
The only Gerald Byrne I found in South Africa was Gerald James Byrne.

I found his marriage record online to Eliza Kemp.

If you would like to exchange info please feel free to contact me.

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I have found another entry for the marriage which states it took place in Chatham. Eliza born 1860 father Tom Kemp, Gerald born 1853 father James Byrne.

I can't find a Gerald Byrne in Liverpool in 1861 but there is a James Byrne born Liverpool 1853 parents James and Mary, both born Ireland and he has a sister Mary born 1860
The ref is RG09/2666/F8/p13

Possible birth for James/Gerald
Mar 1853 Liverpool 8b 102 mmn Keating

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Eliza Kemp Byrne
Event Type Death
Event Date 09 Jul 1914
Event Place Woodstock, Cape Province, South Africa
Residence Place 16 Railway Cottages Maitland
Gender Female
Age 54
Birth Year (Estimated) 1860

record-image_33S7-95DR-Z4V.jpg Eliza Kemp  Byrne death.jpg


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Eliza
Last nameKemp
Birth year
Baptism year1858
Baptism date04 Apr 1858
PlaceAlkham, St Anthony the Martyr
Father's first name(s)Thomas
Mother's first name(s)Eliza
CountyKent
CountryEngland
ArchiveCanterbury Cathedral Archives


1871
Eliza Kemp
Age:-13
Estimated birth year:-abt 1858
Relation:-Daughter
Father's name:-Thomas Kemp
Mother's name:-Eliza Kemp
Gender:-Female
Where born:-Eastry, Kent, England
Civil Parish:-Eastry
Ecclesiastical parish:-Canterbury and Sandwich
Town:-Eastry
County/Island:-Kent
Country:-England
Registration district:-Eastry
Sub-registration district:-Sandwich
ED, institution, or vessel:-7b
Household schedule number:-66
Piece:-999
Folio:-88
Page Number:11
Household Members:
Name
Age
Thomas Kemp 43 -c1828 Eastry, Kent, England- Ag.Labourer
Eliza Kemp 40 -c1831Nonington, Kent, England
Eliza Kemp 13 -c1858 Eastry, Kent, England
Jane Kemp 10 -c1861Eastry, Kent, England
Sarah Kemp 6-c1865 Eastry, Kent, England

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Eliza Belsey

THOMAS KEMP
1855 Eastry

Thomas
Last name-Kemp
Marriage year-1855
Marriage date-28 Jan 1855
Marriage place-Goodnestone by Sandwich
Spouse's first name(s)-Eliza
Spouse's last name-Belsey
County-Kent

Edit 7 mls from Alkham
3.3 miles from Eastry

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Edith Ellen
Last nameByrne
Birth year
Baptism year1891
Baptism date13 Mar 1891
PlaceRamsgate, Holy Trinity
Father's first name(s)Jerrald
Mother's first name(s)Eliza
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EDITH ELLEN
Last nameBYRNE
Birth year1891
Birth quarter1
Registration month
Mother's last name
DistrictThanet
CountyKent
CountryEngland
Volume2A
Page966
Record set


6mls from Goodstone
5.8 miles from Eastry

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CATHERINE ALBERTA J
Last nameBYRNE
Birth year1893
Birth quarter1
Registration month
Mother's last name
DistrictThanet
CountyKent
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Volume2A
Page963

Catherine Alberta Jane
Last name-Byrne
Gender-Female
Birth year
Birth place
Baptism year-1893
Baptism date-23 Mar 1893
Residence-Ramsgate, Kent, England
PlaceRamsgate
County-Kent
CountryEngland
Father's first name(s)Gerald James
Father's last nameByrne
Mother's first name(s)Eliza
Mother's last nameByrne

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HERBERT GERALD
Last nameBYRNE
Birth year1889
Birth quarter1
Registration month
Mother's last name
DistrictMedway
CountyKent
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Volume2A
Page599
Record setEngland & Wales Births 1837-2006

1891
Coast Guard Station, Cemetery Road, St Lawrence, Thanet, Kent, England
Gerald J Byrne Head Married Male 39 1852 Boatman Coast Guard Liverpool
Eliza Byrne Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Ramsgate, Kent, England 
Herbert G Byrne Son - Male 2 1889 - Chatham, Kent, England 
Edith E Byrne Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Ramsgate, Kent, England

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HERBERT GERALD
Last nameBYRNE
GenderMale
Birth day
Birth month
Birth year1889
Age3
Death quarter4
Death year1892
DistrictThanet
CountyKent
Volume2A
Page534
CountryEngland

Still can't find Fathers birth

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My family - The Kemp's had told me that a Gerald had gone to South Africa and had never been heard from again! Naturally I was fascinated but soon realised it was actually that my relation Eliza Kemp (b 1860 Ramsgate, Kent) who had married Gerald James Byrne (b approx. 1853 in Liverpool according to census but cannot find records to confirm this) and some time between 1893 and 1897 they obviously shipped themselves off to South Africa with their two daughters: Edith Ellen Byrne - b 1891 Kent, and Catherine Alberta Jane Byrne b 1893 and then in South Africa had Ethel Violet Byrne b 1897.

All I've found of them since then was Eliza's death in 1914 and Catherine Alberta Jane's marriage age 26 to a Cyril Louis Pfuhl (age 24) in 1921 - they had a son a year later but his baptism record said 'dead' at the side and no godparents were listed - not sure if he was baptised after death?!

They seem to have been in the Cape of Good Hope, Salt River, Maitland area.

After this I've got no idea what happened to Gerald (or who he even really was as I couldn't find his birth) or the other girls or if there's any descendents or the line died out and that was why they were thought of as 'never heard from again'? Any help or tips appreciated - South African research is a bit new to me! :eek:
Hi Kempy
I am not sure if you are still searching for Gerald James Byrne, I do have his Death Notice he died on 5 January 1943 Woodstock, Cape Province at a good old age of 90.
I am busy building the family tree of the 3 daughters at the moment.
 

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Sharls, any information would be helpful, thank you! I've not had time to keep digging on it so would be nice to hear what happened to them all as the news over here was 'never heard from again', but how true that was I don't know!
 
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Sharls, any information would be helpful, thank you! I've not had time to keep digging on it so would be nice to hear what happened to them all as the news over here was 'never heard from again', but how true that was I don't know!
Hi Kempy
An update on the Byrne family, today I have requested from the archives the Estate file of Gerald Byrnes, I am hoping it might shed more light on his children. I will get back to you if there is anything interesting to share. I have found one daughter's death but the other two still nothing.
 

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