CARTER family in Devon

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Another go with this family. This is the one previously found:

1841
HO107 Piece 255 Book 10 Folio 20 Page 34
Civil Parish: Tiverton
Hundred: Tiverton
County: Devon
Registration District: Tiverton and Dulverton
Sub-RD: Tiverton
Edwin Carter 25 Devon, England
Mary Ann Carter 30
Jane Carter 6
Ellen Carter 7 Mo

Edwin CARTER & Mary Ann.

Children all born in Plymouth:

Ellen b. 22 Sep 1831 ** EDIT: died in 1832.
Edwin John b. 28 Sep 1833
William James b. 29 Jun 1835 ** or 1837 ???
Mary Ellen b. 24 Jun 1836
Jane b. 16 Feb 1840 ** or 1839 ???

I think the author of one tree is confusing birth and baptism dates so I'm not 100% sure of the birth order of the last four. I think Mary Ellen becomes Ellen and the youngest then becomes Mary.

Given all but one of these children were in England until 1854-1857 I'd like a look up please for the family in 1841 and 1851.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

This is said to be the death of William James:

11368/1917 CARTER WILLIAM - EDWIN - MARY A - COROWA

That's in a small town in NSW and I can't find a notice in newspaper so I have no age at death.

The tree does not indicate when William arrived in NSW but it was before 1866.

Lots of William CARTERs born in Devon so the one I've found in shipping records is probably not the right one (age is 3 years out) but I will check it out next time I'm at the library.

CARTER William 23 Wacousta 1855 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2472, [4/4957]

William 23 Blacksmith Plymouth Devon CE Both

 

[DaveHam9]

It would seem that the 'Edwin' in 1841 in post #1 is Edward in later census - master cordwainer and widower by 1851.

Probably very few Edwin CARTER to Mary A. marriages in Devon. I can't find any on FS. I can't find any baptisms for children to Edwin & Mary A. in:

England, Plymouth and West Devon, Parish Registers, 1538-1912

Mary A (nee STOCKDALE) died in 1898 in USA.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find the marriage of James MARTIN to Mary Ann CARTER but the children fit for this to be Mary Ann:

1851
HO107 1878/36/21
Address: Prince Rock, The Martyr, Plymouth
James Martin 39 occ Quarryman b. Modbury Devon
Mary Ann Martin 45 b. Penryn, Cornwall
Edwin C Carter 18 occ Stonemason
Ellen C 16
William 14
Jane 12
Mary 10
James Martin 5
All children born Plymouth, Devon

They are hiding in 1841.

 

[DaveHam9]

name: Mary Stocdale
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 18 Apr 1805
baptism/christening place: MABE,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Stocdale
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Avis
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C02255-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 254159
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

We have to start again almost with this one. I knew the tree was suspect but if shipping record is correct parents are Joseph & Sarah:

Arrived 2 Jan 1855
William 23 Blacksmith - Plymouth Devonshire Joseph & Sarah living at Plymouth - CE Read & write - No relations in colony - Good None - £5 A. I. Act.

So, I don't have a death after all.

 

[gibbo]

Could this be his death??

7050/1892 CARTER WILLIAM J JOSEPH SARAH LEICHHARDT

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible, gibbo.

If some of the tree is correct them William's middle name was James.

CARTER (Mr. W. J.) Funeral notice 11MAY1892 Funeral late of Leichhardt Sydney Morning Herald 10MAY1892


The other question has to be asked:

Have I got the right shipping record for the William CARTER in my tree?

What do I know is correct? Not much.

NSW Birth 5118/1866 CARTER HENRY S - WILLIAM - MARIA - HAY

New South Wales Police Gazette 1895
Henry Stewart Carter, summoned before the Narrandera Bench, by Sergeant Barnett and Constable Wisbey, Narrandera Police, for being the owner of a slaughter-house, used for the slaughter of animals intended for human food, did have in his possession two animals, to wit, bullocks for sale, while suffering from a disease known as lumpy jaw or tuberculosis, has been fined £6 and £15s. 10d. costs. Paid. Monety of fine to Police Reward Fund.

1903 NSW Electoral Roll - BLAND - NARRANDERA POLLING-PLACE
CARTER Henry Stewart, Larmer-street, publican

 

[DaveHam9]

Independent A 0000914 CARTER J 31 Aug 1909
Independent A 0000914 CARTER H 15 Jun 1909
Independent A 0000915 CARTER W 16 May 1892
Independent A 0000915 CARTER E 14 Dec 1893
Independent A 0000917 CARTER A 29 Jun 1896
Independent A 0000917 CARTER C 07 Jul 1896
Independent A 0000917 CARTER E 26 Feb 1904

The newspaper notice says 11 not 16 May but that's the only W CARTER who died in Sydney region that year.

Are the others all relatives?

Deaths
681/1893 CARTER ESTHER - JAMES - AMELIA - SYDNEY
11048/1893 CARTER EMILY M - WILLIAM J - SOPHIA - NEWTOWN

CARTER Esther Death notice 14MAY1893 Death 35 late of Womerah Avenue Sydney Morning Herald 17MAY1893


I feel like returning to this one next year. :2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible
groom's name: Joseph Carter
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Sarah Body
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 09 Apr 1833
marriage place: Talaton,Devon,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M05358-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 917537
reference number: