CARTER family

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

This is a bit curious unless it is a 2nd marriage for John (middle name Adams).

groom's name: John Carter
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Sophia Hortender Pratt
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 20 Jul 1835
marriage place: Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England

Children said to include:

Godfrey Downes b. abt 1830
John Alexander b. abt 1833

name: Godfrey Downes Carter
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 04 Jul 1832
baptism/christening place: Kennington, Surrey, England
birth date:
birthplace:
father's name: John Carter
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Selina Carter

groom's name: John Adams Carter
groom's birth date: 1808
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 21
bride's name: Selina Grace Clark
bride's birth date: 1808
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 21
marriage date: 19 Sep 1829
marriage place: Saint Mark Kennington, Surry, England


I'd like a look up for the family in 1841 and 1851 please.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

This any use for you

Godfrey Downes Carter (1830-1902), politician and merchant, was born at Jamaica, West Indies, son of John Adams Carter, merchant and planter, and his wife Selina Grace, née Adams

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/carter-godfrey-downes-3174

 

[DaveHam9]

I thought you'd wait until J A and G D were on the Migration board. :2fun:

Thanks. One tree says their mother is Sophia PRATT.


Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) - Wednesday 30 April 1902 p.2
Victoria.
MELBOURNE, Wednesday.
Mr. Godfrey Downes Carter, who for some years was M. L. A. for Melbourne city, and for a generation was a well-known business man, died yesterday afternoon, aged 72.


29 Nov 1856 G D is in Melbourne. Three days for contempt of court.

 

[gibbo]

There is a online will for Godfrey in the VIC archives.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks.

J A married in Victoria in 1858.



The Australasian Sketcher with Pen and Pencil (Melbourne, Vic. : 1873 - 1889) - Wednesday 11 March 1885
DEATHS
CARTER.-On the 5th ult., at her residence, Bromley
Common, Kent, England, in the 80th year of her
age, Selina Grace Clark, widow of the late John
Adams Carter, of London and Jamaica, merchant,
and the beloved mother of Godfrey Downes and
John Alexander Carter, of this city.

 

[gibbo]

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Thursday 5 January 1888

CARTER. —On the 4th inst., at his residence, Toorak-road, South Yarra, of apoplexy, John Alexander Carter, in the 50th year of his age.

 

[gibbo]

J A again just posted it cause i thought the Woodville Hall bit was interesting


The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Saturday 7 January 1888

CARTER. —On the 4th inst., at his residence, Toorak-road, South Yarra, John Alexander Carter, son of the late John Adams Carter, of Woodville-hall, Surrey, and brother of Godfrey Downes Carter, M.L.A.

 

[gibbo]

1881 UK census. Godfrey appears to have had a sister by the name of Selina. Her married name was Bastow. She is noted as daughter on the census. Annie Franks is a servant.

Name: Selina G.C. Carter
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Sely Terr
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Dulwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 669
Folio: 55
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Selina G.C. Carter 75
Selina L.H. Bastow 41
Charles G. Bastow 3
Annie Franks 18

 

[DaveHam9]

Age 50 in 1888 does not seem to fit. I think age at death is out.

 

[gibbo]

The Standard
Tuesday November 29 1870

CARTER.- On the 25 November, at his daughters residence, Beechwood, John Adams Carter, Esq, late of 147, Lendenhall street London and of the parish of St Ann's Jamaica.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. If J A was born abt 1838 then I don't think he arrived before 1841. He may have arrived before 1851 but I can't tell because FS has very little in 1851.

 

[gibbo]

John Alexander Carter married in 1877 to a Margaret [Edith] second daughter of
David Jones in England.

edited .....

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
CARTER John Alexander Atcham 6a 889
Jones Margaret Atcham 6a 889

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm having trouble finding Selina in early census.

name: G D Carter
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 10
birthplace:
record type: Household
registration district: Wandsworth & Clapham
sub-district: Streatham & Tooting Graveney
civil parish: Streatham
county: Surrey

In 1847 after reading David Collins's An Account of the English Colony in New South Wales he told his parents that at 21 he would try his fortunes in Australia Felix. Overruled, he agreed to try Jamaica first and arrived in Victoria in 1853...

I cannot see him 1852-1854 on the Unassisted to Victoria index.

 

[DaveHam9]

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Sybella Catharine Birkhead
Spouse Name: John Alexander Carter
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1858
Registration Number: 2720

It's always the elder brother of the one I want who has the on-line bio.

 

[gibbo]

So its John Alexander your looking for?

There is also a will online in VIC for John Alexander.

DEATH_YEAR 1888
GENERAL_NOTES
NATURE_OF_GRANT Probate
DEATH_DATE_NOTES
GRANT_DATE_NOTES
RESIDENCE_NOTES
Occupation Estate Agent
GivenName John A
FamilyName Carter
AltName
Title
Residence South Yarra
COUNTRY_OF_RESIDENCE
STATE_OF_RESIDENCE
TO_WHOM_COMMITTED Margaret Carter
File_Number 35/973
Death_Date 4 Jan 1888
Grant_Date 9 Feb 1888

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. Married 1858 in Victoria. A daughter Emily Alice supposedly born 29 Sep 1855.

 

[gibbo]

I posted this on #10 on this thread. Note the parish of St Ann's Jamaica...

The Standard
Tuesday November 29 1870

CARTER.- On the 25 November, at his daughters residence, Beechwood, John Adams Carter, Esq, late of 147, Lendenhall street London and of the parish of St Ann's Jamaica.


Think i found the baptism record for John Adams Carter.

Name: John Adams Carter
Event: Christening
Event Date: 04 Jun 1807
Event Place: St Ann, Jamaica
Gender: Male
Birth Date:
Father: William Carter
Mother: Sarah Carter
Page: 163
Line Number:
Film Number: 1291703
Digital Folder Number: 004620468
Image Number: 00329

Its really interesting reading a copy of the actual record. His record is on the right hand side. There are 2 carters baptised with same parents so John Adams Carter had a older sister who was baptised the same day as him :biggrin:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-13844-26536-19?cc=1827268

Name: Dorothy Sims Carter
Event: Christening
Event Date: 04 Jun 1807
Event Place: St Ann, Jamaica
Gender: Female
Birth Date:
Father: William Carter
Mother: Sarah Carter
Page: 163
Line Number:
Film Number: 1291703
Digital Folder Number: 004620468
Image Number: 00329

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

We have more info on the grandfather than we do on the one actually in my tree by marriage. :2fun: Emily Alice supposedly born 29 Sep 1855.

 

[gibbo]

Yeah i know but i got a bit carried away and it was interesting :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

You may have realised that not only am I looking for the arrival of J A in Australia but also his future spouse Sybella BIRKHEAD. Crazy, we have 3 of her sisters but not Sybella. Just like we have 3 Anderson sisters but not the others. There must have been buy 2 get 1 free deals. :2fun: