Cecilia BLACK and Margaret BLACK

[DaveHam9]

James KELTIE & Cecilia MASTERTON
4 Sep 1835 Torryburn, Fife
Batch: M114587

1861 Deaths in the Parish of Alloa in the County of Clackmannan:
Margaret Keltie, widow of Adam Keltie, died at 6 A.M. on 22 June 1861 at West Vennel, Alloa, age 80 yrs, father James Watson, labourer, deceased, mother Margaret Watson, maiden surname Black, deceased, senectus paralysis of leg - 4 weeks as certified by Robert Wilson M.D. Edin... Signature and qualification of informant - Cecilia Keltie, granddaughter, present. Death registered on 22 June 1861 at Alloa. Wm. D. Bruce, Registrar.


James Keltie's grandmother is a Margaret BLACK.

Cecilia Masterton's mother is a Cecilia BLACK.

Cecil b. 13 Sep 1775 c. 17 Sep 1775 Torryburn, Fife
John BLACK & Marion RAE
Batch: C114585


Margaret Watson b. abt 1782 Pathhead, Midlothian ? Can't see a baptism.

Trying to see if there is a connection.

Can't see a marriage for a James Watson to a Margaret Black.

Can't see a marriage for a John Black to a Marion Rae.

Can't find a tree.

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm not finding anything that helps.

 

[barbarajoh]

Hi Dave,

There is a Margaret born Crichton 1779 to James Watson and Mgt Somervill. Crichton is next to Pathhead and perhaps the informant got Mgt's mother wrong. Is that what you are thinking?

Do you have Margaret and Adam's children? I can only find an Adam born 1803.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

I was stuck and didn't know what to think. It's possible the informant got it wrong. Knowing Black was there somewhere, but actually on other side of family.

I have found nothing yet on Adam after his 1803 birth.

One more son found. No idea about others in that gap.

1841
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address: Torryburn Low St
KELTY Adam 55 Cotton H L W Scotland
KELTY Margaret 55 Scotland
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KELTY James 25 Damask H L W England
KELTY Cecilia 25 Fife, Scotland
KELTY Cecilia B 3 Fife, Scotland
KELTY James 1 2mo [14 mo] Fife, Scotland

Death 1857 KELTIE JAMES WATSON M 43 ALLOA (CLACKMANNAN) /CLACKMANNAN 465/00 0034

Page 12
1857 DEATHS in the Parish of Alloa in the County of Clackmannan
No. 34 - Keltie James Woollen Weaver Married - 1857 February Fifteenth 10h 45m A.M. King Street Alloa - M - 43 yrs - Adam Keltie Damask Weaver Margaret Keltie Maiden name Watson - Thyphus Fever 16 days as certified by Alexander McKenwick surgeon who saw him last on the 15th February - Church Yard of Alloa as certified by Robert Blair Sexton - John Keltie Cousin Shore Not Present - 1857 18th February At Alloa Wm. D. Bruce Registrar

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Middle names for some children of James & Cecilia MASTERTON

Masterton, Black and Watson.


343/2*
Adam b. 3 Jul 1779 c. 4 Jul 1779 Culross, Perth
Adam KELTIE & Elizabeth DUNDAS
Batch: C113434


Death: 14 Feb 1861; Torryburn, Fife, Scotland; Adam Keltie, weaver, married; age 80 years; parents Adam Keltie, seaman and Elizabeth Keltie M.S. Blair; died from gradual decline from old age; witness James Masterton, neighbour

 

[horse]

I have found nothing yet on Adam after his 1803 birth.

Something to ponder..

FMP:
Kelts Adam 1804
1826 British Army Service Records
Culross, Perthshire

There are about 4 images, not one appears to give any real personal info other than he comes from Culross and was Attested 19 July 1926 aged 22 yrs.

Ended up as a "SERJEANT Regiment Royal Artillery" sic.

The transcript has:
"WO 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army service records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 1240
Box record number 95"

Most of the references to his name look like Kelty in the images, though 'f', 's' and may be others can't be ruled out.

Geoff

Edit: Was in Malta 6yrs +. Disch 13 July 1847. Rheumatism was mentioned.

 

[horse]

If the Army service history is correct, this may be worth a thought..

BMD:
Deaths Q1 1885
Kelty Adam
82
Romford
4a, 169

Geoff

 

[horse]

There is an Adam Kelty in Hampshire in 1851, prison warder and in 1861 a Chelsea Pensioner. Spouse = Harriet.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Adam was Attested in Edinburgh, occ. = weaver.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Kelty, Keltie in Scotland.

Celtie, Kelter in Australia.

Census just have England for brother James in 1841 and 1851.

1841
Piece: SCT1841/458
Place: Torryburn -Fife Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Torryburn
Folio: 1 Page: 18
Address: -
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KELTY James M 25 Damask Hand Loom Weaver England
KELTY Cecilia F 25 Fife
KELTY Cecilia B. F 3 Fife
KELTY James M 14m Fife

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah, nothing exact to prove it's him, though looks likely... depends how important he is, may get more from TNA..

Geoff

 

[horse]

This is possibly him in 1861..

Civil Parish: Carisbrooke
County: Hampshire
RD: Isle Of Wight
Sub-RD: Newport
ED: 7; Piece: 655; Folio: 9; Page: 13

Adam Kelty 54 [b. Scotland. Chelsea Pensioner]
Harriet Kelty 45 wife [b. Petersfield]
William Kelty 12 son [b. Deptford, Kent]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

His aunt Elizabeth Keltie

27/02/1785 KELTY ELIZABETH ADAM KELTY/ELIZABETH DUNDASS F CULROSS (PERTH) /PERTH 343/00 0020 0552

is on a main line. Can't find her marriage:

Phyllis Sands b. 12 Mar 1806
Christening Date: 20 Mar 1806 Torryburn, Fife
James SANDS & Elisabeth KELTIE
Batch: C114585

Dave

 

[horse]

James SANDS & Elisabeth KELTIE

IGI has 2 submitted records for c1805 Torryburn, I guess that is not difficult to assume

Geoff

 

[horse]

There is nothing on SP that even comes close to that marriage

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I know. I checked fiche in Dunfermline Library.

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

possible for James?


James Keltey
England, Devon Bishop's Transcripts
Name James Keltey
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 19 Dec 1813
Event Place Stoke-Damerel, Devon, England
Father's Name Adam Keltey
Mother's Name Margaret Keltey

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

Yes, possible.

Keltey families in Essex so a name that is in England.

No sign of any other baptisms in England for them on FS.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Keltie as well in England.

Adam Keltie
Christening Date 05 May 1816
Christening Place RICKMANSWORTH, HERTFORD
David Keltie & Isabella


1803 to 1813 and probably no hope of finding any other children.

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
Piece: SCT1851/458 Place: Torryburn -Fife Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Torryburn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Torryburn
Folio: 458 Page: 24 Schedule: 127
Address: Huntey Nyad
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KELTIE Adam Head M M 70 Hand Loom Weaver Cotton Perth - Culross
KELTIE Margaret Wife M F 62 ? Midlothian - Pathhead

Adam died 14 Feb 1861.

Margaret died 22 Jun 1861 at West Vennel, Alloa.

1861 census 7 April. Zero % on FreeCEN.