Charles ATKINS

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Charles Aston ATKINS

Births Sep 1855
Atkins Charles Coventry 6d 368

I'd like a look up for Charles in 1861 please. Coventry Holy Trinity.

Father should be John Aston ATKINS b. 1817 Coventry or Joseph Aston ATKINS b. 1823 Coventry.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Perhaps this one Dave

ATKINS, John Head Married M 44 1817 Ribbon Weaver
Coventry, Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Emma Wife Married F 38 1823 Ribbon Weaver
Coventry, Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, John Son M 8 1853
Coventry, Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Charles Son M 5 1856
Coventry, Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, David Son M 0 (9M) 1861
Coventry, Warwickshire VIEW
Piece: 2208
Folio: 23
Page: 1
Registration District: Coventry
Civil Parish: Trinity St Peters District
Municipal Borough: Coventry
Address: Smiths Building, Paynes Lane, Trinity St Peters District, Coventry
County: Warwickshire


there is another with father John but born in Birmingham.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much. No middle names or initials but that looks right.

Marriages Sep 1838
ATKINS John Aston Coventry 16 333

Marriages Dec 1846
Atkins John Aston Coventry 16 603
one of many is Emma MAUD


Emma Maud
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 11 Oct 1824 SAINT MICHAEL,​COVENTRY,​WARWICK,​ENGLAND
parents: William Maud,​ Martha
Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Jun 1844
ATKINS Joseph Coventry 16 259

Deaths Sep 1846
Atkins Joseph Aston Coventry 16 393

Spouse of Joseph senior is Mary (nee ASTON).

I'd like a look up for them in 1841 please.

Although this is odd:

Marriages Mar 1847
Atkins Joseph Aston Coventry 16 372

I can only find one baptism that fits - 1823 Coventry.

Joseph Aston Atkins
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 30 Jun 1823 SAINT MICHAEL,​COVENTRY,​WARWICK,​ENGLAND
parents: Joseph Atkins,​ Mary

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

This one Dave?

ATKINS, Joseph M 50 1791 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Mary F 50 1791 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Ann F 20 1821 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Joseph M 15 1826 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Newcombe M 4 1837 Warwickshire VIEW
TATLOW, Robert M 30 1811 Warwickshire VIEW
MUNROE, John M 30 1811 VIEW
Piece: 1152
Book/Folio: 6/35
Page: 24
Registration District: Coventry
Civil Parish: St Michael
Municipal Borough: Coventry
Address: Park Street, Little, St Michael, Coventry
County: Warwickshire

 

[barbarajoh]

or this one

ATKINS, Joseph M 50 1791 VIEW
ATKINS, Elizabeth F 35 1806 VIEW
ATKINS, Joseph M 15 1826 VIEW
ATKINS, Jane F 12 1829 VIEW
ATKINS, Mary F 9 1832 VIEW
ATKINS, Sarah F 6 1835 VIEW
Piece: 1128
Book/Folio: 5/9
Page: 11
Registration District: Aston
Civil Parish: Sutton Coldfield
Municipal Borough:
Address: Coldfield, Sutton Coldfield
County: Warwickshire

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

Marriages:
Q3 1838 ATKINS, John Aston & Matilda Dowell. Coventry 16, 333

Deaths:
Q4 1839 Atkins Matilda Coventry. 16, 274
Q2 1846 Atkins Matilda Coventry. 16, 247

That would account for the marriage you found.
So in 1841, you are looking for a John without a wife or with a Matilda.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

This one Dave?

ATKINS, Joseph M 50 1791 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Mary F 50 1791 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Ann F 20 1821 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Joseph M 15 1826 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Warwickshire VIEW
ATKINS, Newcombe M 4 1837 Warwickshire VIEW
TATLOW, Robert M 30 1811 Warwickshire VIEW
MUNROE, John M 30 1811 VIEW
Piece: 1152
Book/Folio: 6/35
Page: 24
Registration District: Coventry
Civil Parish: St Michael
Municipal Borough: Coventry
Address: Park Street, Little, St Michael, Coventry
County: Warwickshire

This one fits thanks Barbara. Ann's age rounded down to 20.

Ann Aston Atkins
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 04 Dec 1818 SAINT MICHAEL,​COVENTRY,​WARWICK,​ENGLAND
parents: Joseph Atkins,​ Mary

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hi Dave

Marriages:
Q3 1838 ATKINS, John Aston & Matilda Dowell. Coventry 16, 333

Deaths:
Q4 1839 Atkins Matilda Coventry. 16, 274
Q2 1846 Atkins Matilda Coventry. 16, 247

That would account for the marriage you found.
So in 1841, you are looking for a John without a wife or with a Matilda.

Geoff

Thanks Geoff.

That explains two marriages for John but there seems to be 2x Joseph Aston though.

Regards,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

Just to follow John a little further, possibly on his 3rd wife by 1861.

1861 England Census
Name: Joseph Aston Atkins
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Atkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Covy, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Coventry St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 2205
Folio: 59
Page Number: 17
Name Age
Joseph Aston Atkins 37, head, watch possibly motioner
Eliza Atkins 35, wife, b. abt. 1826 Ling Stokington,
Frederick Webb 18, nephew, b. abt. 1843 Ling Stokington, watch motioner
Richard Wimsett 15, app. b. abt. 1846 Calier, Ireland.

Death: Q2 1852 Atkins Emma, Coventry. 6d, 183
Marriage, Q2 1857:
Atkins John, Coventry. 6d, 531
SHORTLAND Elizabeth, Coventry. 6d, 531
SHORTLAND Frederick, Coventry. 6d, 531
Williamson Elizabeth, Coventry. 6d, 531

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

There are a couple of trees suggesting a Joseph b. 1812, no date of death, or b. 1820, d. 1821. Parents Joseph and Mary, that may account for the 2x Joseph.

Unable to validate this, however.

Geoff

 

[horse]

These may be the earlier Joseph's, found on FS:

name: Joseph Atkins
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Aug 1812
baptism/christening place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
father's name:Joseph Atkins
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C02141-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 428986, 428987
***
name: Joseph Atkins
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 01 Sep 1820
baptism/christening place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
death date: 11 Mar 1821
father's name: Joseph Atkins
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C02141-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 502206, 549659

No evidence of the Aston middle name, which has been consistent in the other offspring!

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks for looking but I'm lost.

Post #10 you say John on his 3rd but post 1861 census with Joseph.

There are several problems I can see but this post for Charles was done for a reason. :biggrin:

There are 2x John baptised Coventry - parents Joseph & Mary including one with middle name Aston.

There are 3 or 4x Joseph baptised Coventry - parents Joseph & Mary including one with middle name Aston.

We know Royal has a sister Ann and brothers John & Joseph. The only baptism found for an Ann is one with middle name Aston.

We could assume Royal was the only one not to be given that middle name or we could assume because he does not have it that his mother is not Mary ASTON.

90% of trees have no maiden name for Royal's mother and those that do say it's ASTON.

In my next post I'll explain why I was looking for a Charles.

Regards,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

Yeah, I was getting a bit bogged down, I came offline to check over what was relevant.

I'll await your post on Charles.

Interesting family though..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,,

Same old story. What parts of what trees to believe.

John Aston married Matilda DOWELL/DAVELL and one tree has her death in 1846.

John then married Emma MAUD and she died in USA in 1911. John died in USA in 1896.

A son Charles Aston was born abt 1856 Coventry and he died in USA in 1937.

One of Charles' sons born 1884 NY, USA was named Royal Aston ATKINS.

I'd say that is more conclusive than the fact Royal b. 1815 didn't have a middle name Aston that his mother was Mary ASTON.

Or 'Royal/Royle' goes further back in ATKINS line.

Regards,

Dave

 

[horse]

Not surprising any of us would go astray on this one, Joseph's, John's, Mary's Royle's, Royal's...

Royle bap. (1815) not much help, though it does state his father is a weaver. No evidence of Aston!

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Royle Atkins
Parish: Coventry, St Michael
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1815
Father's Name: Joseph Atkins
Mother's Name: Mary Atkins

I can see now why you particularly stated Charles in the post #1, apologies for the diversions.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

That is an interesting fact from Royal's baptism because John Aston who died in USA was a silk weaver.

Births Sep 1861
ATKINS Royal Aston Coventry 6d 394
Births Jun 1862
ATKINS Royal Coventry 6d 449

One of those is the son of John Aston so who is the father of the other?

Royal Aston Atkins
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 13 Oct 1861 St. Thomas',​ Coventry,​ Warwick,​ England
residence: Coventry,​ Warwick,​ England
parents: Joseph Aston Atkins,​ Martha

Royal Atkins
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 13 Jul 1862 St. Peter's,​ Coventry,​ Warwick,​ England
residence: Coventry,​ Warwick,​ England
parents: John Atkins,​ Emma Atkins

Oh.

Deaths Sep 1862
Atkins Royal Coventry 6d 210

 

[horse]

Among his siblings, 1900 Pennsylvania census there is a Mary A b. 7 Aug 1886, perhaps another Aston indicator? Royal is listed as Royal A.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't think we can be sure about this one Geoff. It's about 50/50 with facts pointing to Royal's mother being and not being Mary ASTON.

No sign of Aston as middle name in descendants in Australia that I can find.

 

[horse]

You probably know this but Charles and 3 offspring are in the weaving industry in 1900.

It is interesting that Joseph and Mary (Aston) did appear to give all of their offspring the middle name.

The Aston family appears to be well documented and findable, because there is more than one Joseph and Mary bap. at the same time, it is more difficult.

One of those to recheck with a clear head on a rainy day perhaps!

Geoff