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Charles Miller HUGHES

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1861
RG9 Piece 2698 Folio 105 Page 42
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-RD: Toxteth Park
Address:
Charles Miller Hughes 24
Angelina Hughes 22
Charles M Hughes 2
Isaac W Hughes 10/12
Louisa Harwood 16


Marriages Dec Qtr 1869
Thomas Robert Andrew W Derby 8b 677
HUGHES Angelina W Derby 8b 677


Looking for the death of Charles.

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Hi Dave, there is a tree in Anc which lists his death as 1868. However, Free MBD have a death for Charles Miller Hughes in 1856 W Dby. perhaps a baby son born in 1855. Angelina remarries in 7.11.1869 to Robt Andrew Thomas. St Johns Tockie Park. Ozn Not much help mate. Did he sail to Australia as a young man??
 
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Checked out the censuses of 1871 and 1881. The children have their stepfather's name of Thomas in 1871 but by 1881 he is a widower and he gives the children their original surname of Hughes.

There are six baptisms of children of Charles and Angelina on Ancestry. Charles Miller Hughes was a sail maker on the first three then from 1865 he was a mariner/master mariner. (on his marriage cert 1854 he is a sail maker & his father Isaac a captain so possibly sailing with his father.)
The last child that he and Angelina baptised was Susannah Nicholson Hughes, 6 June 1869. (registered Q2 1869) Then after that is Angelina Sarah Thomas, daughter of Angelina and Robert Andrew Thomas bapt 29 Jan 1871.

So Charles Miller Hughes was still alive second half of 1868 but there is no record of his death in England & Wales. Being a mariner I imagine he was lost at sea or abroad, though I cannot find a mention in newspapers.

The Miller Hughes family crop up several times in Liverpool around that time, mostly as mariners.

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PS Angelina's 2nd husband, in 1869, was Robert Andrew Thomas. In 1865 Angelina & Charles Miller Hughes baptised a daughter Robina Andrewina Hughes, (first time Charles is down as a mariner). The address given was 203 Park Rd, same address where Robert was living with his mother in 1861. Makes you wonder whether Angelina & Robert are already living together and Charles has already disappeared.
 
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Thanks Ozn.

Thanks Elaine.

Not an easy family to trace.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1881
Hughes Isaac Wolfe Toxteth Park 8b 474
AYLWARD Josephine Toxteth Park 8b 474

Arrival ???

Death 1308/1885 HUGHES JOSEPHINE AGE 20 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY * 22 Jun

Marriage 1895/1887 HUGHES ISAAC W - CHAPMAN EMILY A - SYDNEY * 6 Dec 1887

1901
RG13 Piece 3435 Folio 84 Page 17
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Toxteth Park
Sub-RD: Toxteth Park
Address: 43 Twiss Street
HUGHES Isaac W Head Mar M 39 Bricklayer Liverpool Lancashire
HUGHES Emily A Wife Mar F 39 Australia
HUGHES Ernest E Son M 12 Australia
HUGHES Arthur C Son M 10 Australia
HUGHES Elsie M Dau F 8 Australia
HUGHES Harold Son M 5 Liverpool Lancashire
HUGHES Horace E Son M 3 Liverpool Lancashire
HUGHES Ethel L Dau F 0 (3 MOS) Liverpool Lancashire

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Charles Miller Hughes c. 30 July 1837 St James Liverpool, Lancashire
Isaac Hughes & Maria Johanna


HUGHES Charles Miller Death notice 19JUN1933 Death 10 at Bowral, late of East Kangaloon Sydney Morning Herald 20JUN1933

Death 5972/1933 HUGHES CHARLES M - CHARLES M - ROBINA A - BOWRAL

HUGHES Charles Miller Death notice 09JUL1968 Death 81 late of Oak Flats Sydney Morning Herald 11JUL1968

Death 26808/1968 HUGHES CHARLES MILLER - CHARLES MILLER - MARY ANN - KIAMA

We might get there eventually.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1878
FOSTER Mary Ann W. Derby 8b 732
HUGHES Charles Miller W. Derby 8b 732 ** The one aged 2 in 1861


No death found so far in Qld., NSW or Vic. for the one baptised 1837.
 
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Marriages Sep Qtr 1878
FOSTER Mary Ann W. Derby 8b 732
HUGHES Charles Miller W. Derby 8b 732 ** The one aged 2 in 1861

I have followed the above couple through 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911.

1901
Parish Great Crosby
City -
Country England
County Lancashire
Municipal ward Central
Registration district West Derby
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3446
Folio 81
Page 3

1891 and 1901 they were at Great Crosby, Lancs and in 1911 they had retired to Paignton in Devon, when he was aged only 52.

He became a cement building material merchant and had the following children :-
Robina Angelina Alice 1880
Edmund M 1882
Rudolph A 1883
Miriam Adeline 1886
Charles Miller 1888 (the one you have a death for in 1968 ?)
Irene Forster 1891
Gladys Wolfe 1893
Noel Wolfe 1894

(in 1891 they had Rosette A Thomas, stepsister, 22, living with them, confirming the correct family)

Robert Andrew Thomas died 1892 leaving £3211 and one of the executors was Charles M Hughes cement merchant.

Charles Miller Hughes married his second wife, Ethel Hockmeyer, in Newton Abbot in 1924 and they were in Totnes in 1939. He returned from Devon to live at Bromborough on the Wirral and died there aged 90 on 23 April 1949. Probate was granted to Lloyds bank and he left £34,602.

Can't find any of Isaac Wolfe Hughes family in 1911.

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UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
Charlse Miller Hughes
Birth Date: 1837, Liverpool, Lancashire
Issue Date: 9 Mar 1867. Port: Liverpool
Certificate Number: 34.356

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Qld Passenger Lists
HUGHES Isaac 21 Chyebassa 19 Oct 1882 IMM/117 177 Z1960
HUGHES Josephine 19 Chyebassa 19 Oct 1882 IMM/117 177 Z1960

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Tree has this..

ADI:
Josephine Hughes
Death: 1885, New South Wales
Reg Place: Sydney, New South Wales.
Reg No: 1308
[No parents listed]

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Thanks Elaine.

Thanks Geoff.

Died at sea or died anywhere for Charles born 1837.


Death 16948/1940 HUGHES ISAAC WOLFE - CHARLES MILLER - ANGELINA - BURWOOD * 30 Aug

Age 80 from CofE Rookwood burial

ISAAC HUGHES 80 - 31/08/1940 Zone C 12 3120


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Only 2 years between events.

UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
Charlse Miller Hughes
Birth Date: 1837, Liverpool, Lancashire
Issue Date: 9 Mar 1867. Port: Liverpool
Certificate Number: 34.356

Marriages Dec Qtr 1869
Thomas Robert Andrew W Derby 8b 677
HUGHES Angelina W Derby 8b 677
 

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An even smaller window between the birth of his last child, Susannah Nicholson Hughes, reg Q2 1869 , bapt 6 June 1869, and the marriage of Angelina Hughes, Nov 7 1869. But apparently no death in England or Wales.

Interesting that John & Susannah Nicholson were witnesses at the marriage of Angelina & Robert Andrew Thomas and the baby born just before the marriage was named after Susannah Nicholson. John Nicholson was a building contractor/joiner of a similar age to Robert who was also a building contractor. Looks like this supposed Hughes baby was named after friends of the soon-to-be second husband.

Robert Andrew Thomas was a single man, I think he and Angelina would have married sooner if they had had proof that Charles was dead.

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