Charles NORMAN & Lucy JONES

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Charles NORMAN & Lucy JONES

Children:

Lucy Norman
birth: 30 January 1832
christening: 18 March 1832 EBENEZER OLD STREET ROAD BIBLE CHRISTIAN,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND

Elizabeth Frances Norman
birth: 2 April 1834
christening: 3 August 1834 SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND

Thomas Austin Norman
birth: 27 March 1836
christening: 6 November 1836 SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND


I'd like a look up please for the family in 1841 and 1851.

Thanks.

Dave.

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

Something to get started with

Lucy Jones
Spouse: Charles Norman
Marriage
Event Date: 26 Apr 1830
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
[Witnesses: Thomas Jones, Maria Jones]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Thomas Austin Norman
Baptism
Date: 6 Nov 1836
Father: Charles Norman
Mother: Lucy Norman
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
[Charles Occ: Carpenter]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Most interesting. :biggrin:

There are lots of trees and I think they are all mixed up.

 

[horse]

Yeah, not easy to find, looking for snippets

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.


There are lots of trees and I think they are all mixed up.

Troooooooooooooo :2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Two things I can say about Harriet Lucy NORMAN - father = Charles a tailor from her marriage and born Essex from the shipping record.

 

[horse]

Thomas Austin Norman
Baptism
Date: 6 Nov 1836
Father: Charles Norman
Mother: Lucy Norman
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
[Charles Occ: Carpenter]

Geoff

This one is a carpenter

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. But perhaps not enough to be 100% sure we rule out Lucy JONES and make Elizabeth ALLARD her mother.

The other census topic should add what we need.

 

[horse]

Is this worth a thought?

1841 census
Charles Norman
Age: 25
Born abt 1816 Exsse
Occ: Tailor

Civil Parish: Newport
Hundred: Uttlesford
County: Essex
Country: Englan
RD: Saffron Walden
Sub-RD: Newport
ED: 1
HO107; Piece: 340; Book: 14

Charles Norman 25
Elizabeth Norman 25
Harriet Norman 5
Charles Norman 3
Anna Norman 3 Mo
Anna Perry 60
Ann Francis 20
[All offspring b. Essex]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Is this worth a thought?

1841 census
Charles Norman
Age: 25
Born abt 1816 Exsse
Occ: Tailor

Civil Parish: Newport
Hundred: Uttlesford
County: Essex
Country: Englan
RD: Saffron Walden
Sub-RD: Newport
ED: 1
HO107; Piece: 340; Book: 14

Charles Norman 25
Elizabeth Norman 25
Harriet Norman 5
Charles Norman 3
Anna Norman 3 Mo
Anna Perry 60
Ann Francis 20
[All offspring b. Essex]

Geoff

Thanks Geoff.

Very much so. I believe that is Elizabeth ALLARD. Should be Charles junior's middle name.

I would say you will find that family with more cilidren as per the other NORMAN census topic. (I'm hoping)

They also have a son Luther and I hope you will find him also.

 

[horse]

You probably had the correct family in the other thread

 

[DaveHam9]

You probably had the correct family in the other thread

It was either the SW one or the Lexden one.

Having parents as William and Ann on death reg didn't help. Had to rule Lucy JONES in or out. Or rule Elizabeth ALLARD in or out.

I think Luther is the key if you can find him with Charles the tailor.

Births Mar Qtr 1846
Norman Luther Saffron Walden 12 246

Marriages Dec Qtr 1860
Banham Frances Ann Saffron W 4a 731
Norman Charles Allard Saffron W 4a 731

 

[horse]

Luther is not with them in 1861, he is an apprentice:

Luther Norman
Born abt 1846 Newport, Essex
Relation: Apprentice Shoe Maker

Civil Parish: Newport
County: Essex
RD: Saffron Walden
Sub-RD: Newport
ED: 7

William Banham 66
Martha Banham 52
Elizabeth Banham 17
Luther Norman 15

Geoff

 

[horse]

Lather Norman
Born abt 1846
Age: 24
Spouse: Sarah Jane Young
Spouse Age: 31
Marriage
Date: 3 Feb 1870
Parish: Holy Trinity, Paddington
Borough: Westminster
Father: Charles Norman
Spouse Father: Joseph Young
Register Type: Parish Register
[Occ: Shoemaker]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Luther is only with his mother in 1851, father elsewhere as visitor, so we probably wont see them together..

 

[horse]

Lather Norman
Born abt 1846
Age: 24
Spouse: Sarah Jane Young
Spouse Age: 31
Marriage
Date: 3 Feb 1870
Parish: Holy Trinity, Paddington
Borough: Westminster
Father: Charles Norman
Spouse Father: Joseph Young
Register Type: Parish Register
[Occ: Shoemaker]

Geoff

May be the wrong marriage, his father is a MINISTER :2fun: :biggrin:

 

[horse]

Hmm... There's a Charles the minister in 1871 too, this family has been cloned in Essex and Cambs.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So not solved just yet.

 

[horse]

Nope... Charles b. Essex and Charles b. Cambs. Things go wrong after 1841