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Charles NORMAN

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Looking for a Charles NORMAN cabinet maker and upholsterer.

He advertised in 1900 in Victoria that he had lots of experience in England and that he was late of Maples, London.

I'm fishing because I don't know for sure where or when he was born.

1881 and 1891 census and Directories ??

I looked on FS in 1881 and didn't find a likely match.

Maple & Co. was a British furniture maker on Tottenham Court Road in London, which was especially successful during the Victorian and Edwardian era.
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hi Dave,,,found this one?? EDIT---Probably not your man,,,hes stuffing mattresses in the next census !!

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Short Grove, Clifton, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

Charles Norman Lodger Single Male 17 1874 Upholsterer Exton, Somerset, England
 
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Thanks GB.

Just one of many problems with my tree.

Jewish Herald (Vic. : 1879 - 1920) Fri 5 Jan 1900 p.9
Mr. C. Norman, upholsterer and cabinet maker of 67 Toorak-road, has had many years' experience in England with some of the most eminent firms in the trade, and is prepared to do good work at a moderate price.

Can't see any ads earlier than that one.

From the 1916 Electoral roll at same address we have C = Charles.

In another ad in the same paper he says " of Maples, London" so I take that to be the name of the company.

The Age – Monday 22 April 1940
NORMAN.– On April 19 at his residence 103 Canterbury road, Toorak, Charles Norman, dearly beloved husband of Mary Ann Norman, aged 78 years. At Rest.

So born abt 1862.

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... many years' experience in England ...
I take that to be around 9 years. Nothing is adding up.

If he left London around 1891 and didn't start advertising until January 1900 then there should be an arrival during that period.

Unassisted to Victoria
NORMAN C MR Age 29 - APR 1891 ORUBA B 544 012

Don't know if C = Charles and even if it is I don't know that one has the right occupation.

Advertising in only the Jewish Herald yet the one I'm after seems to have been born in Ireland. ???

Or Edward (father of Hilda) and Charles (at same address in 1916 as Hilda) are not brothers.

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Jewish Herald (Vic. : 1879 - 1920) Fri 5 Jan 1900 p.9
Mr. C. Norman, upholsterer and cabinet maker of 67 Toorak-road, has had many years' experience in England with some of the most eminent firms in the trade, and is prepared to do good work at a moderate price.

Can't see any ads earlier than that one.
The 1903 E/R has him with a Mary..

Geoff

EDIT: Known as Mary Ann after.
 
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Interesting Mary Ann is not with Charles in 1925, but reappears in 1928..

In Canterbury Road by 1935

Vic. E/R 1935
Charles Norman
Subdistrict: Toorak
District: Fawkner
Residence Address: 103 Canterbury rd
Occupation: Upholsterer

Nothing else leaping out :rolleyes:

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Thanks Geoff.

I just spent the afternoon at the local library looking at Charles and others.

There is another topic on this family.

This is one of the more difficult ones to sort out.

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If this is the correct family ...

Found a Vic Assisted & Unassisted Passenger list for 1889 which has
Edward Norman age 24 a Clerk, George Norman also Clerk age 25 and Charles Norman a clerk age 28 with a George Norman age 50 (reckon father) – departing London - Arrival date 21 July 1889 on ship “Garonne”
... then if they are not in England in 1881 Charles must have worked in London from soon after 1881 census to early 1889 to get the many years experience he said he had in the trade.

But don't know why Charles and Edward are listed as clerks.


The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) - Saturday 14 April 1894 p.5
MARRIAGES
NORMAN - DOWNES.-On the 22nd March, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. H. G. Blackie, Edward, third son of George Norman, of Dublin, to Ada Elizabeth, third daughter of John Downes, Kalinda, Murray-street, East Prahran.
 

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