Charlotte Ann SMITH

[DaveHam9]

One tree has this birth in NSW:

17044/1876 SMITH CHARLOTTE ANNETTA - GEORGE - ELIZA - LAMBTON

Birth 11751/1866 DRINKWATER JAMES - - MARY A - NEWCASTLE

1st marriage 6606/1889 DRINKWATER JAMES - SMITH CHARLOTTE - LAMBTON

Death 13032/1934 DRINKWATER JAMES - MARY A - WALLSEND

2nd marriage 1570/1935 LYONS JOHN J - DRINKWATER CHARLOTTE ANN - MAYFIELD

Death 3902/1941 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - MAYFIELD

Death 16404/1943 LYONS CHARLOTTE ANN - MATTHEW - BRIDGET - AUBURN


If that is the correct birth reg then both parents are wrong on the death reg.

Not in Ryerson and can't find death or funeral notices in TROVE for either.

Mayfield, Wallsend and Lambton are all in Newcastle/Hunter region and Auburn is a suburb of Sydney.

I doubt that is the correct birth with a marriage at age 13, so looking for the right one. I can't see a marriage or a death for the Charlotte born 1876. I can't see a birth in NSW for any Charlotte with parents Matthew & Bridget. Sounds Irish to me.

Births:
12051/1859 SMITH MARY - MATTHEW - BRIDGET - RAYMOND TERRACE
15819/1873 SMITH BRIDGET - MATTHEW - BRIDGET - NEWCASTLE
17390/1877 SMITH MATTHEW J - MATTHEW - BRIDGET - LAMBTON

 

[horse]

This looks interesting...

The Sydney Morning Herald, 15 April 1913
Quote:
DRINKWATER V DRINKWATER
Charlotte Drinkwater (formerly Smith) pe
titioned for divorce from James Drinkwater
on the ground that the latter had been im
prisoned for three years and was still in
prison undergoing a sentence of 10 years.
Mr Fraser appeared for the petitioner who
stated that the marriage took place in August
1889. End Quote.

So the marriage in Lambton looks good..

Geoff

 

[horse]

On her own here..

Charlotte Ann Drinkwater
Electoral Year: 1933
State: New South Wales
District: Newcastle
Subdistrict: Lambton
[Add: 24 Pearson St. hd]

Geoff

 

[horse]

This Charlotte is in hospital...

Charlotte Lyons
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: Reid
Subdistrict: Auburn North
[Newington Hospital]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Charlotte Anne Lyons
Electoral Year: 1937
State: New South Wales
District: Newcastle
Subdistrict: Newcastle
[She's with a John Joseph Lyons, no occ., Wahroonga Road]

Hmmmm...

John Lyons
Electoral Year: 1937
State: New South Wales
District: Newcastle
Subdistrict: Mayfield
[John Joseph Lyons, Mt. St. Alphonsus, Clergyman]

Geoff

 

[horse]

There are quite a few possibles for John Lyons, but this fits for Auburn...

John Joseph Lyons
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: Reid
Subdistrict: Auburn North
[On his own, John Joseph, Wetherill St, Lidcombe, no occ.]

 

[horse]

It was possibly legal for Charlotte to marry at 13/14y...

http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

We know there is a Matthew & Bridget SMITH family in Lambton around that time. I think more likely the 1876 birth is not the right one, not that I can find that Charlotte later on to rule her out for sure.

1919-1926 NSW Sands Directory
LYONS John J, Crookwell, farmer

1930 NSW Electoral Roll - Werriwa - Crookwell
LYONS John Joseph, McAlister, Crookwell, farmer

This is the latest I had:

1936 NSW Electoral Roll - Newcastle - Lambton
LYONS Charlotte Ann, 20 Percy street, Lambton, home duties
LYONS John Joseph, 20 Percy street, Lambton, labourer

I had no indication he later became a clergyman.

Dave

 

[horse]

Is it possible to rule any of the E/R's out?

 

[DaveHam9]

I am pondering why the move from Goulburn/Crookwell to Lambton/Newcastle so do we have 2x John Joseph both with parents Patrick and Annie. We have this:

Birth 10164/1871 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - GOULBURN

1903 NSW Electoral Roll - WERRIWA - CROOKWELL POLLING-PLACE
LYONS John Joseph, Cottawalla, farmer
LYONS Julia Margaret, Cottawalla, domestic duties

Death 6817/1917 LYONS JULIA M - WILLIAM - LOUISA - CROOKWELL

If 1x John Joseph he waited a long time to remarry.

Death 3902/1941 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - MAYFIELD

Not in Ryerson and I can't find any notices in TROVE and no age at death.

 

[horse]

If 1x John Joseph he waited a long time to remarry.

D

So did Charlotte, div., 1913..

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 3902/1941 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - MAYFIELD


John Joseph Lyons
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: Reid
Subdistrict: Auburn North
[On his own, John Joseph, Wetherill St, Lidcombe, no occ.]

???

Death 8294/1955 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - JOHN - UNKNOWN - AUBURN

 

[horse]

Death 3902/1941 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - MAYFIELD


John Joseph Lyons
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: Reid
Subdistrict: Auburn North
[On his own, John Joseph, Wetherill St, Lidcombe, no occ.]

???

Death 8294/1955 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - JOHN - UNKNOWN - AUBURN

And a Charlotte in hospital the same year...

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll start this again from a birth I know fits my tree:

10164/1871 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - GOULBURN

1903 NSW Electoral Roll - WERRIWA - CROOKWELL POLLING-PLACE
LYONS John Joseph, Cottawalla, farmer
LYONS Julia Margaret, Cottawalla, domestic duties

1910-1912 NSW Sands Directory
LYONS J. J., Crookwell

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - GOULBURN - CROOKWELL POLLING-PLACE
472 LYONS John Joseph, McAlister, farmer
473 LYONS Julia Margaret, McAlister, domestic duties

Julia died 31 May 1917 at Crookwell.

I have this death that may or may not be the right one depending if we have 2x John Joseph with same parents:

3902/1941 LYONS JOHN JOSEPH - PATRICK - ANNIE - MAYFIELD

 

[DaveHam9]

Damn, no age:

LYONS John Joseph Death notice 27JUN1955 Death late of North Lidcombe Sydney Morning Herald 29JUN1955

If it's not in the index the age won't be in the notice.

We have a John Joseph death in Mayfield in 1941 and a John Joseph in Auburn in 1943.

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll leave it with you for now Geoff.

I'll be back in about 5 hours.

 

[horse]

Ok, Dave... speak soon.

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know where we are with this one Geoff.

We have a birth reg I know that fits with my tree. Then a death in Mayfield with the same parents but no proof yet that it's the same John Joseph who married Charlotte.

 

[horse]

I can't get my head round this one, it's nearly impossible to discount some of those E/R's after the 1935 marriage

An age at death is crucial..

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll not think about it while I eat lunch. :biggrin:

Back soon to post something else.