Charlotte HILDER

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I have a problem with the marriages for Charlotte HILDER.

V18481442 33A/1848 HILDER CHARLOTTE - MOSES - ELIZABETH
c. 26 Mar 1848 Church of England, New South Wales
Moses HILDER & Elizabeth

This is the area where the HILDER family lived but we must have 2x Charlotte.

V1854223 41B/1854 HAINES THOMAS - HILDER CHARLOTTE - MY= CofE Camden, St John's, Oaks, Picton, Stonequarry

St John's Camden
Page 21 No 1
Thomas Haines Bachelor otp
Charlotte Hilder Spinster otp
were married in this Parish by Banns with consent of Parents
Twenty Third March 1854 by me Edward Rogers
Both signed
Witnesses: George Haines of Menangle, Sarah Giddy of Menangle


957/1876 RUNNING WILLIAM - HILDER CHARLOTTE - SYDNEY

Not yet found on film.


3022/1894 WHITEMAN ALFRED G - RUNNING CHARLOTTE - CAMDEN

No 4 Wesleyan Marriage
Sept 26th, 1894 Residence of Amelia Roberts
Albert Godfry ? Whiteman Bachelor [actually a widower] Sussex England Farmer 56 Lagoon near Bathurst Thomas Whiteman Mary Butchers Labourer
Charlotte Running (maiden name Hilder) Widow Oaks 46 Narellan Moses Hilder Elizabeth Styles Farmer
By me William Wall
Both signed
Witnesses: Richard Bellingham, Amelia Roberts

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

So we should have a death for a Charlotte HAINES.

V186311544 122C/1863 HAINES CHARLOTTE E
11947/1922 HAINES CHARLOTTE 87 YEARS CROOKWELL CROOKWELL

So Charlotte was about 19 when she married. Born abt 1835 no parents listed but living in the same area as other HILDERs. Can't find a birth in NSW.

Children:
V1854857 40/1854 HAINES GEORGE A THOMAS CHARLOTTE
5763/1857 HAINES DELILAH THOMAS CHARLOTTE CAMDEN
5901/1860 HAINES ALICE THOMAS CHARLOTTE CAMDEN
6434/1862 HAINES ROSE THOMAS CHARLOTTE CAMDEN
7219/1866 HAINES DAVID THOMAS CHARLOTTE CAMDEN
7137/1869 HAINES JOB THOMAS CHARLOTTE BINALONG
7008/1870 HAINES ELIZA THOMAS CHARLOTTE BINALONG
7166/1872 HAINES JAMES THOMAS CHARLOTTE BINALONG
8600/1873 HAINES EVA THOMAS CHARLOTTE BOOROWA
9224/1876 HAINES THOMAS THOMAS CHARLOTTE BOOROWA

 

[DaveHam9]

Father: Thomas HAINES b: 11 Aug 1835 in Sandhurst, Kent, England
Mother: Charlotte HILDER b: ABT 1835 in Mountfield, Sussex, England.

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principal's name: Moses Hilder
estimated birth year: 1815
age in years: 24
native place of principal: Mountfield, Sussex, England
father's name: James Hilder
mother's name: Mary Tellans
spouse's name: Elizabeth Hilder
native place of spouse: Rolvenden, Kent, England
spouse's father's name: William Styles
spouse's mother's name: Elizabeth Pollington
ship: Susan
date of arrival: 10 Mar 1839
volume: 25
gs number: 416873
dgs number: 4117085
image number: 02044

Is this only a baptism? When was this Charlotte born?

V18481442 33A/1848 HILDER CHARLOTTE MOSES ELIZABETH
c. 26 Mar 1848 Church of England, New South Wales
Moses HILDER & Elizabeth

Not listed as one of the children who arrived with Moses & Elizabeth so perhaps the older one is a niece.

 

[DaveHam9]

name: Charlotte Hilder
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 Jul 1836
baptism/christening place: Mountfield, Sussex, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Hilder
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Sophia Grant
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04593-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1482365
reference number: p6 #45

So did Charlotte arrive with her parents? Under 21 when she married.

 

[DaveHam9]

principal's name: Charlotte Hilder
estimated birth year: 1836
age in years: 2
native place of principal:
father's name: Thomas Hilder
mother's name: Sophia Hilder
spouse's name:
native place of spouse:
spouse's father's name:
spouse's mother's name:
ship: Prince Regent
date of arrival: <--- 20 Mar 1838
volume: 23
gs number: 416873
dgs number: 4117085
image number: 02048

 

[gibbo]

This any good to you...... Moses and Elizabeth.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. Yes. Just checked that one.

Age is out for Moses and so is the maiden name of his mother. Mary may have used her father's name later in life (on the shipping record) but she married as DOLLIDGE.

Mary DOLLIDGE c. 24 Dec 1775 Laughton, Sussex
Parents: - & Mother Ruth DOLLIDGE

James HILDER & Mary DOLLIDGE
Marriage: 19 Oct 1795 Laughton, Sussex, England


name: Moses Hilder
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Jun 1808
baptism/christening place: Sussex, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Hilder
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04127-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1894273
reference number: 22

So Moses b. abt 1808 - James & Mary

and Thomas b. abt 1808 - Henry & Keturah

so not brothers but both from Mountfield.

Next question: Are James and Henry brothers? Do I want to go back that far?

 

[DaveHam9]

Getting close to where my FURNER family came from in E Sussex:

Possible:

James Hilder
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 1772 RYE,​ SUSSEX,​ ENGLAND
residence: Rye,​ Sussex,​ England
parents: John Hilder,​ Ann

Henry Hilder
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 1777 RYE,​ SUSSEX,​ ENGLAND
residence: Rye,​ Sussex,​ England
parents: John Hilder,​ Ann

 

[DaveHam9]

Full circle back to a HAINES:

Henry Hilder
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 20 Aug 1797 East Sussex,​ England
spouse: Keturah Haines


Thomas Hilder
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 15 May 1808 Sussex,​ England
residence: Sussex,​ England
parents: Henry Hilder,​ Keturah

Thomas Hilder
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 16 Oct 1830 Mountfield,​ Sussex,​ England
spouse: Sophia Grant

 

[leefer]

Hi Dave...there is an email address on this Hilder page....maybe drop him/her an email and pop em the question.
There were a few more pages with Hilder info on for this area so maybe worth a go

http://www.oocities.org/leggtree/data/fam00411.htm

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,23496.0.html....also this if you need to pick the bones.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Lee,

Lots and lots of them in E Sussex.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

957/1876 RUNNING WILLIAM - HILDER CHARLOTTE SYDNEY * 19 Apr 1876 * Error with month

1876 MARRIAGES Solemnized in the District of Sydney
No. 573 August 19th 1876 Sydney
William Running - Bachelor - Armagh Ireland - Dealer - 37 - Cooma - Mark Running & Elizabeth McEwell - Farmer
Charlotte Hilder - Spinster - Camden N.S.W. - Dressmaker - 28 - Camden - Moses Hilder & Elizabeth Styles - Farmer
Married in the Church of St. Paul [Cleveland St Redfern] According to the rites of the Church of England
Parties signed: William Running, Charlotte Hilder
Witnesses signed: William Hilder, Amelia Hilder
By me Fredk. W. Thellrie ?? Officiating Minister

The other marriages on the page have Alfred H Stephen as the minister. Searching Trove only finds Canon Stephen at St Paul's.

 

[DaveHam9]

Something odd about this one.

NSW Marriage 1532/1861 HILDER CHARLES - DOWNEY MARY ANN - CAMDEN * 14 Feb 1861

SAG 0019
St Paul's Church Narellan ??
No. 25
Charles Hilder - Bachelor - County of Sussex England - Farmer - 23 - Narellan Narellan - Moses Hilder Elizabeth Styles - Farmer
Mary Ann Downey - Spinster - Belfast Ireland - Carter's daughter - 21 - Narellan Narellan - George Downey Sarah Ann McMullen ? - Carter
married 14th February 1861 By me Thos. Hassall
Parties signed: Witnesses: Albert Whiteman, Jane Hilder

The CofE churches in that area at that time were St Paul Cobbitty and St Thomas Narellan and St John Camden.

 

[horse]

Something odd about this one.

1532/1861 HILDER CHARLES - DOWNEY MARY ANN CAMDEN * 14 Feb 1861

SAG 0019
St Paul's Church Narellan ??

One tree has this..

"Marriage14 Feb 1861 St Pauls, Cobbitty, New South Wales, Australiaas per marriage certificate held my Helen Douglas of A Golden Variety Tree."

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

The film is at the Mitchell Library in Sydney and I didn't record the frame no. If I had then from the catalogue I would be able to find the name of the church.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Something odd about this one.

1532/1861 HILDER CHARLES - DOWNEY MARY ANN CAMDEN * 14 Feb 1861

SAG 0019
St Paul's Church Narellan ??

One tree has this...

"Marriage14 Feb 1861 St Pauls, Cobbitty, New South Wales, Australia as per marriage certificate held by Helen Douglas of A Golden Variety Tree."

Heber Chapel 1827-
St. Paul Cobbitty 1840-
St. Thomas Narellan 1884-

There is no Parish of Cobbitty. Both churches are in the Parish of Narellan.