Children onboard

[JanicePP]

Hello all, I’m trying to find the names of the two children that travelled with their convict mother onboard the Lucy Davidson to Sydney Australia arriving November 1829.

 

[JanicePP]

Just adding an important fact: the convict mothers name was Ann Maria Martin

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.

We like difficult queries.

Children are not listed so not an easy one.

Ann Maria MARTIN 'Lucy Davidson' 1829 Ticket of Leave District: Airds; Tried: MGD [4/4089; Reel 919]

The youngest women on board were Susannah Harris and Susan James who were both 16 years old. Those who brought some of their children with them included Jane Carman (Cadman?) (2 children); Ann Greg (1); Ann Flinn (1); Jane Chappel (1); Hannah James (1); Mary Marshall (2); Mary Poulter (2); Anne Norris (1); Ann Martin (2); Maria Toomey (1); Tamar Section (2); and Elizabeth Waring (2).

Dave

 

[JanicePP]

Hi Dave, thank you for your reply is this in England or Australia "MGD [4/4089; Reel 919"
Janice

 

[DaveHam9]

4/4089; Reel 919

4089 and 919 are films at Records NSW = NSW Archives at Kingswood, NSW.

I've been there once only being a very long journey by public transport from where I live in Sydney to research one convict in my tree.
I can't say if any film will list the children or not.

 

[JanicePP]

Thanks Dave I found that yesterday

 

[DaveHam9]

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/contact-us/ask-an-archivist

They probably won't search any film but they may be able to say if children are listed or not.

 

[JanicePP]

Will do, thank you Dave

 

[gibbo]

Her records state she is married, you have a name of her husband / father of the kids?

I found these 2 kids records and maybe could be worth looking into as maybe she couldnt have the kids depending on where she was sent to work?

Name Sarah
Surname MARTIN
Age 4 yrs
Institution Female Orphan School
Record TypeAdmission book
Date of Committal 26/01/1830
Remarks Parents: John and Ann MARTIN
Citation NRS 793 [2]; Reel 2777; 1477, Page 024
ECommerce Category B
Index Number 74
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NumberINX-74-11542
Title MARTIN William
Index Name Child Care and Protection index 1817-1942
Name William
Surname MARTIN
Age 2 yrs
Institution Female Orphan School
Record TypeAdmission book
Date of Committal 26/01/1830
Remarks Parents: John and Ann MARTIN
Citation NRS 793 [2]; Reel 2777; 1477, Page 012
ECommerce Category B
Index Number 74

 

[JanicePP]

That is wonderful thank you, I just need to match her to the Lucy Davidson. where did you get this info. Janice

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Not sure how this fits or does not fit.

Ann FLINN 'Lucy Davidson' 1829 Certificate of Freedom 18 Aug 1836 TL 35/664; wife of Robert Martin (as stated on her CF) [4/4334; Reel 997]

 

[gibbo]

NSW state archives

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/node/1316/browse

 

[gibbo]

Thanks gibbo.

Not sure how this fits or does not fit.

Ann FLINN 'Lucy Davidson' 1829 Certificate of Freedom 18 Aug 1836 TL 35/664; wife of Robert Martin (as stated on her CF) [4/4334; Reel 997]

Well that throws a spanner into the works Something else to check out unless the poster has further info that can help confirm or eliminate.

 

[JanicePP]

gibbo
I shall check that out, thank you, Janice

 

[DaveHam9]

Ann Flinn is a different convict - different gaol delivery.

1829 - New South Wales, Australia, Convict Indents. Ship; Lucy Davison
Indent No; 76
Name; Ann Maria Marten
Age; 25 years, Read & write, Married 2 Children. BOTH ON Board
Native Place; Suffolk
Trade or calling; All work & washes
Offence; Stealing Caps *** and other things
Trial; London - 9 April 1829
Height; 4 ft 10 in. Blind of Right Eye.


Old Bailey Proceedings April 1829
Trial of Ann Maria Martin 9th April 1829
Ann Maria Martin,was indicted for stealing,on the 9th February,2 caps,value 11s;two handkerchiefs value 2s;1 sheet,value 4s,and 1 knife,value 2d,the goods of John Barker;and 1 pair of gloves,value 1s.6d;1 shirt,value 2s;2 remnants of stuff,value 2s;1frock,value 1s 6d.,and 1 brooch,the goods of Mary Kellick.

I can't find that searching the Old Bailey site. ??

1833 - Ticket of Leave 33/470

1840 - Conditional Pardon; C40/754. Date; 25 April 1840. Age; 36 years

 

[JanicePP]

Thanks Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Found it
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?name=18290409

20 of 46 searching for 'martin'

I'll get there eventually.

ANN MARTIN, ANN MARIA.
Theft: simple larceny.
9th April 1829
Reference Number t18290409-163
Verdict Guilty
Sentence Transportation

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18290409-163

 

[gibbo]

Not sure what info would be on this, its free to download through National Archives UK

Transportation register of convicts bound for New South Wales on the convict ship Lucy Davidson.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9985834
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[DaveHam9]

I've downloaded the file from TNA and no mention of children.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks Dave, a shame no mention of them, worth a try anyway.