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Hi,

I am moving up a differnt branch of my family tree and looking for information
regarding my grandfathers ancenstors.

His name was Thomas Collier and married Margaret Frain in 1920

I have been told that he came from Atherton Road, Hindley Green, Wigan.

He had 2 brothers Billy & Harry and two sisters May & Alice.

Can anyone do any census checks for me please?

Thanking you.

Pettra
 

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You'll need a later census to confirm.

1901 census.

Name: Thomas Collier
Age: 1
abt 1900
Born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St George
Lancashire.
Reg district: Wigan
ED: 6

Joseph Collier 23. b. Blackrod, Lancs.
Rhoda Collier 21. b.Aspall, Lancs.
Thomas Collier. 1

Marriage - Wigan J/A/S 1899. V.8c - Page 120. Bride listed as Rhoda Gwinnett to Joseph Collier.


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Hi Pettra

Ithink this is your family

Thomas Collier b 1861 Ince Lancashire Coal miner
Isabella b 1863 Upholland Lancashire
James 1884 Hindley
William 1885 Hindley
Alice 1888 Hindley Cop winder in cotton mill
Elizabeth 1890 Hindley
Harry 1891 Hindley lab in coal mine
Thomas 1893 Hindley Lab in coal mine
Joseph 1896 Hindley Lab i coal mine
May 1901 hindley
Ada 1903 Hindley

Thomas married Isabella Sumner A/J 1883 Wigan 8c 25

1901 living 268 Leigh Rd, Hindley

census refs
1861 RG09/2781/20/34
1871 RG10/3891/86/21
1881 RG11/3771/74/13
1891 RG12/3057/98/19
1901 RG13/3560/148/31
1911 RG14/23033/RG78PN1346RD458SD4ED7SN150

Thomas parents
William 1837 Wigan
Margaret 1840 Ince (on 1861 census Alice 1839 Wrightington)
Ann 1859 Ince
Thomas 1860 Ince
Ann 1868 Ince
Richard 1871 Hindley
Elizabeth 1875 Hindley
Alice 1878 Ince
William 1880 Hindley

all except 1861 living in Leigh Rd, Hindley - 1861 Broom St, Ince.

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Hi Dave,

Thank you so very much for the work you did! I think you are absolutely
"spot-on"! I was going to visit my only remaining relative who could help me
out with more information tomorrow.

I am so very thrilled to get this "branch" of the tree underway and thankful
also that it did not become entwined with the "Colliers" that appeared on
another branch of the tree!

Once again you came to my aid (like a knight in shinning armour) and for this
I can never thank you enough.

Pettra.
 
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Hi Pettra
You're welcome

Just to finnish off the census years

1851 HO107 2200 22 36 Broom St
1841 HO107 522 12/13 18 Broom St

Thomas married Ann Whittle 7Jun1833 Hindley

Thomas 1816 Cotton Weaver (hand Loom)
Ann 1816
Peter 1834 Cotton weaver/coal miner Christened with William 27/2/1837
William 1836
James 1839
George 1843
Jane 1845
Elizabeth 1850
Ann 1851

This just leaves to find the marriage of William 1837 to Alice in about (1859) and William (1837) to Margaret between 1861 an 1871.

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Dave,

Oh you have given me a lot more information to go on:biggrin:

Thanks to you my "Family Tree" in the tree maker is looking really good
now.

If you get a chance, would you check out Isabella Sumner for me too on
the 1971 census records please.

Cheers,

Pettra
 
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Hi Petrra

1861 RG9 2784 52 9 living Upholland
1871 RG10 3913 93 18 Jamesons Fold, Westleigh
1881 RG11 3771 73 11 249 Leigh Rd, Upholland

James Sumner married Elizabeth Banks - A/J 1852 Wigan

James 1832 Hindley Coal mine carpenter
Elizabeth 1834 Newborough
John 1853 Upholland/Ince Carpenter
Ann Jane 1855 Upholland
Thomas 1857 Hindley
Isabella 1864 Upholland
Ellen 1866 Upholland
Robert 1867 Hindley
William 1870 Hindley
Henry 1874 Ashton
Elizabeth 1878 West Houghton

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Hi Dave,

Now I am a little bit confused. I thought Isabella was....Isabella Sumner
Have I gone wrong somehwhere?

Thomas Collier b 1861 Ince Lancashire Coal miner
Isabella b 1863 Upholland Lancashire
James 1884 Hindley
William 1885 Hindley
Alice 1888 Hindley Cop winder in cotton mill
Elizabeth 1890 Hindley
Harry 1891 Hindley lab in coal mine
Thomas 1893 Hindley Lab in coal mine
Joseph 1896 Hindley Lab i coal mine
May 1901 hindley
Ada 1903 Hindley

Thomas married Isabella Sumner A/J 1883 Wigan 8c 25

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Hi Petrra
Sorry - James Collier should have been James Sumner
very sorry
dave
No problems Dave!

All these Colliers are very confusing to me too!

Thanks for checking on Isabella for me.

I find it very strange that all the family first names keep repeating themselves down the generation apart from the prettiest one.....Isabella!
I feel there must be a reason for this...perhaps she is a Skeleton in the Cupboard.

Cheers again Dave,

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Hi Petrra
found this on IGI

Husband
Thomas Sumner
Birth: About 1796 , Lancashire, England
Marriage: About 1825 Hindley, Lancashire, England

Wife
Ann
Birth: About 1796 , Lancashire, England
Marriage: About 1825 Hindley, Lancashire, England

Children

1. Jonathon Sumner
Birth: About 1831 Hindley, Lancashire, England
2. James Sumner
Birth: About 1832 Hindley, Lancashire, England
3. William Sumner
Birth: About 1834 , Lancashire, England
4. John Sumner
Birth: About 1837 , Lancashire, England
5. Alice Sumner
Birth: About 1838 , Lancashire, England

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THOMAS COLLIER
Birth: 16 JUL 1812
Christening: 12 SEP 1812 Wigan, Lancashire, England

Father: THOMAS COLLIER
Mother: ANN GRIMES

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Hi Pettra :)
In the census taken 10yrs after 1901 there is Isabella Collier 48yrs in Wigan
Thomas 50, Alice 23, Harry 19, Thomas jr 16, Joseph 14, May 10, Ada 8.

The names of the kiddies fit in with your previous post.

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We cannot post info because of their copyright etc issues.

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Hi Pettra :)
In the census taken 10yrs after 1901 there is Isabella Collier 48yrs in Wigan
Thomas 50, Alice 23, Harry 19, Thomas jr 16, Joseph 14, May 10, Ada 8.

The names of the kiddies fit in with your previous post.

To view more info, you need credits.
We cannot post info because of their copyright etc issues.

oznannie
Thanks for that Oznannie - all information is greatly received:)
 

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Hi Petrra
found this on IGI

Husband
Thomas Sumner
Birth: About 1796 , Lancashire, England
Marriage: About 1825 Hindley, Lancashire, England

Wife
Ann
Birth: About 1796 , Lancashire, England
Marriage: About 1825 Hindley, Lancashire, England

Children

1. Jonathon Sumner
Birth: About 1831 Hindley, Lancashire, England
2. James Sumner
Birth: About 1832 Hindley, Lancashire, England
3. William Sumner
Birth: About 1834 , Lancashire, England
4. John Sumner
Birth: About 1837 , Lancashire, England
5. Alice Sumner
Birth: About 1838 , Lancashire, England

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THOMAS COLLIER
Birth: 16 JUL 1812
Christening: 12 SEP 1812 Wigan, Lancashire, England

Father: THOMAS COLLIER
Mother: ANN GRIMES

dave
That information is quite amazing Dave! Grimes and sumner, what a pleasant
distraction from the Colliers!

Thank you so much,

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Hi Pettra
You're welcome

Just to finnish off the census years

1851 HO107 2200 22 36 Broom St
1841 HO107 522 12/13 18 Broom St

Thomas married Ann Whittle 7Jun1833 Hindley

Thomas 1816 Cotton Weaver (hand Loom)
Ann 1816
Peter 1834 Cotton weaver/coal miner Christened with William 27/2/1837
William 1836
James 1839
George 1843
Jane 1845
Elizabeth 1850
Ann 1851

This just leaves to find the marriage of William 1837 to Alice in about (1859) and William (1837) to Margaret between 1861 an 1871.

dave
Hi Dave,

I am now confused about Thomas Collier (1816) & Ann Whittle

Yesterday you mentioned Thomas Collier (1812) & Ann Grimes

Are you saying now that there could be a doubt to the Thomas Collier (1816)?

I have to really study all this information carefully,

Regards,

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Hi Petrra

Thomas Collier 1812-16 and Ann Whittle married 1833 were parents to William Collier 1836
Thomas Collier b 1796 and Ann Grimes were parents to Thomas 1812-16

dave
Thanks Dave, I just realised when inputting the information into the family tree that we move up another generation with this info.

Cheers..

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